StuckOnReserve

It looks like the are preparing for it. They pulled their investor guidance yesterday. The MAX/ CV is making a pretty strong short term punch.

https://www.thestreet.com/.amp/inves...nings-guidance



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Blackhawk

They need to look long term and play accordingly. Each person's situation is different, but shifting regional airlines just to stay on a shiny new jet as an FO would be foolish.
Checking another type rating on an app is a plus.
Getting turbine time, MEL land time and TPIC time is a plus on an app.
I don't remember seeing a box on any application that said "Shiny new jet time".

UnitedExpress

Millennials are not the same as Boomers. They can and will leave to build time on a shiny new jet. These aren’t the old days where you got a job and stayed 25 years waiting on your one shot.

Blackhawk

I am NOT suggesting someone stay 25 years waiting on one shot. I think they need to view themselves as independent contractors. The best way to make themselves marketable as a pilot is not by giving up seniority to log shiny new jet time. It's by logging TPIC, turbine, and getting additional type ratings. Now if they can move laterally to get a faster upgrade or DEC, that might be different.

rickair7777

Get whatever 121 PIC seems to the threshold at the time asap (it's about 2000 hours right now). Then if you're not getting called, you can re-evaluate, look at LCC, ACMI, whatever.

But I think a lot of folks will be getting called over the next few years, and a little economic slowdown won't change that.

Blackhawk

Exactly. Going somewhere just so you can stay in the right seat of a shiny new -175 is very short-sighted.

UnitedExpress

No, staying at a company in a downward spiral is short sighted. The fact of life is most people aren’t going to spent the next 2-5 years in the current environment working for a failing company when everyone else is hiring for more pay and newer equipment.

Blackhawk

Perhaps if you're planning on being a lifer. But if you're looking at trying to move on as quickly as possible it's best to take a step back and view the situation without emotion. For most, staying will probably get them the most turbine time and a fast upgrade to the TPIC they need so they can actually move on in 2-5 years. Chasing newer equipment is a fool's errand. No one but you will care that you flew a -175.
It's business. Being bitter about every downturn and bump in the road will just burn you up in this industry. Think about your long term goals, then objectively lay out a path to get there. When something like this happens try to see how it affects your long term plans. Adjust accordingly based upon those goals, not the emotion of the moment. If your long term goal is to make it to one of the big 5 moving just so you can stay in the right seat of a -175 is not a step forward.
Control those things you can control.

Flydafe

it’s a different time. If they are young with 121 time they will look attractive to bigger airlines because they have them for a longer duration of time career wise. Pilots are in short supply worldwide. If xjt can’t get the pay rates up folk will walk to higher pay rates. I enjoy being here and got the upgrade so the struggle as tough as before but for a new hire what will keep them interested on coming here?

Cessna182TypeR

Where do you think all those lifers on the 175 will be going? IAH and ORD. Better hope for an upgrade in DEN. That severely limits a lot of us on the East coast.

You seem to oversimplify the severity of losing these 175’s and the subsequent base closures. To me, a Commutair merge is about the only thing left to do.

Sorting through all the ripples will take a year plus alone. Many junior reserves FO’s on the 175 have barely flown since they’ve been on deep reserve. By the time they go back to training and get through that it’s almost a year with very little flying and nothing to really show for it.

United and ExpressJet need to secure their feed and come up with something more material than they currently have.