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Cessna182TypeR 04-05-2020 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3024406)
I don’t know. The 50 seaters were approaching the end of their service before this. My guess is that they will end up like the Saab 340 and the BE 1900, they just go away. Scope is maxed out, so there are no more rj’s to be had. I guess we’ll all have a pretty good idea of what the plan is as October 1 approaches.

There is so much unknown at this point. The XR’s seem to have some life left in them and could be the only ones standing after this.

Not to mention if United files bankruptcy anything can happen with scope. Plenty of pilots may try to bend scope in order to save jobs.

Otterbox 04-05-2020 11:30 AM

Can possibly expect see the 550s around as UAX 50 seat flying, Kirby to go after FA union scope in addition to pilot scope limits and XJT and C5 flying 175s in the long run, potentially as UAL Wholly Owned subsidiaries.

Itsajob 04-05-2020 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 3024415)
Not to mention if United files bankruptcy anything can happen with scope. Plenty of pilots may try to bend scope in order to save jobs.

If the company files for bankruptcy, all bets are off and we’re all screwed. United would face years of stagnation and the regional pilots would be stuck there for a really long time. As far as the United pilots bending scope goes, I wouldn’t bet on it. This pilot group is a combination of senior guys who had years of stagnation, people who were furloughed (some twice) while the regionals expanded, and people who were stuck at a regionals for decades because of relaxing scope. Every United pilot that I have flown with would rather burn the place to the ground than weaken our scope language.

StuckOnReserve 04-05-2020 01:09 PM

Will ExpressJet survive this?
 

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3024419)
Can possibly expect see the 550s around as UAX 50 seat flying, Kirby to go after FA union scope in addition to pilot scope limits and XJT and C5 flying 175s in the long run, potentially as UAL Wholly Owned subsidiaries.


Doubt that...
There are only 33 550’s and the the additional 20 are on hold.

Besides the 550 being a multi class aircraft is a bigger threat to mainline flying than the 145s. Also UAL owns the 145s, the 550’s are leased

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Cessna182TypeR 04-05-2020 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 3024491)
Doubt that...
There are only 33 550’s and the the additional 20 are on hold.

Besides the 550 being a multi class aircraft is a bigger threat to mainline flying than the 145s. Also UAL owns the 145s, the 550’s are leased

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Thought United leases the 145’s as well? Or are they all payed off?

StuckOnReserve 04-05-2020 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 3024549)
Thought United leases the 145’s as well? Or are they all payed off?


I think the LR’s are paid off. The XR’s are probably still under a factory lease. Still probably better terms than Skywest.


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Itsajob 04-05-2020 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 3024491)
Doubt that...
There are only 33 550’s and the the additional 20 are on hold.

Besides the 550 being a multi class aircraft is a bigger threat to mainline flying than the 145s. Also UAL owns the 145s, the 550’s are leased

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The 550 being dual class is why United likes it. The single class, tiny cabin, E145 and CRJ 200 is what the customers hate. It may be a ride from point a to b, but it is a poor product.

Escargot 04-05-2020 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3024590)
The 550 being dual class is why United likes it. The single class, tiny cabin, E145 and CRJ 200 is what the customers hate. It may be a ride from point a to b, but it is a poor product.

small cabin is definitely what's keeping people out of the skies

StuckOnReserve 04-05-2020 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3024590)
The 550 being dual class is why United likes it. The single class, tiny cabin, E145 and CRJ 200 is what the customers hate. It may be a ride from point a to b, but it is a poor product.


I agree the UAL likes the 550. But their are only 33 of them. Not enough to build a fleet. Cabin wise it’s the same width of tube as the 200, just longer. passengers don’t about length as much as they do girth. They would rather have a 737 or an A320.


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SeeYa 04-05-2020 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 3024688)
I agree the UAL likes the 550. But their are only 33 of them. Not enough to build a fleet. Cabin wise it’s the same width of tube as the 200, just longer. passengers don’t about length as much as they do girth. They would rather have a 737 or an A320.


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lol all about that girth


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