Will ExpressJet survive this?
07-15-2020 | 12:59 PM
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07-16-2020 | 06:02 AM
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I’m sorry if I’m slow, but I’m not understanding these letters.
Some people are saying that they are receiving a positive furlough letter IN ADDITION to the WARN general letter which is going out to everyone? I’m so confused ... in the past, the furlough announcement came first, and then through a bid (The PWOPs). The number was known by management and the union and was communicated. But in this case, there has been no bid, no PWOPs, no announcement, and no union communication, but yet the company is already actively furloughing a “surprise” number of people, which we can only surmise by going online and trying to figure out who got a letter?
This doesn’t sound right. Help me understand.
Some people are saying that they are receiving a positive furlough letter IN ADDITION to the WARN general letter which is going out to everyone? I’m so confused ... in the past, the furlough announcement came first, and then through a bid (The PWOPs). The number was known by management and the union and was communicated. But in this case, there has been no bid, no PWOPs, no announcement, and no union communication, but yet the company is already actively furloughing a “surprise” number of people, which we can only surmise by going online and trying to figure out who got a letter?
This doesn’t sound right. Help me understand.
07-16-2020 | 06:28 AM
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This is my first experience with all of this, but the company memo says a WARN notice is attached to the email. But when you read the other attachment, it says my position has been identified as being eliminated as of 30 September. This sounds like a furlough letter and not a WARN notice.
Did anyone else receive a letter that says their position may not be eliminated?
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07-16-2020 | 06:30 AM
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I’m sorry if I’m slow, but I’m not understanding these letters.
Some people are saying that they are receiving a positive furlough letter IN ADDITION to the WARN general letter which is going out to everyone? I’m so confused ... in the past, the furlough announcement came first, and then through a bid (The PWOPs). The number was known by management and the union and was communicated. But in this case, there has been no bid, no PWOPs, no announcement, and no union communication, but yet the company is already actively furloughing a “surprise” number of people, which we can only surmise by going online and trying to figure out who got a letter?
This doesn’t sound right. Help me understand.
Some people are saying that they are receiving a positive furlough letter IN ADDITION to the WARN general letter which is going out to everyone? I’m so confused ... in the past, the furlough announcement came first, and then through a bid (The PWOPs). The number was known by management and the union and was communicated. But in this case, there has been no bid, no PWOPs, no announcement, and no union communication, but yet the company is already actively furloughing a “surprise” number of people, which we can only surmise by going online and trying to figure out who got a letter?
This doesn’t sound right. Help me understand.
1. warn letters as result of The government Warn act. Basically if a large company is expecting mass layoffs they must give at least 60 days notice. This is something they suspect could happen and it’s required by law they give this notice. So it’s often a good idea to send a few extra since things could get worse.
2. Contractually you’ll have a minimum timeframe the company has to tell you about A furlough. This is your real hard you’re going to be furloughed notice.
In either case the company can always furlough less on oct 1. They can’t furlough more without sending more notices.
Clear as mud?
07-16-2020 | 07:31 AM
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There are two separate things going on.
1. warn letters as result of The government Warn act. Basically if a large company is expecting mass layoffs they must give at least 60 days notice. This is something they suspect could happen and it’s required by law they give this notice. So it’s often a good idea to send a few extra since things could get worse.
2. Contractually you’ll have a minimum timeframe the company has to tell you about A furlough. This is your real hard you’re going to be furloughed notice.
In either case the company can always furlough less on oct 1. They can’t furlough more without sending more notices.
Clear as mud?
1. warn letters as result of The government Warn act. Basically if a large company is expecting mass layoffs they must give at least 60 days notice. This is something they suspect could happen and it’s required by law they give this notice. So it’s often a good idea to send a few extra since things could get worse.
2. Contractually you’ll have a minimum timeframe the company has to tell you about A furlough. This is your real hard you’re going to be furloughed notice.
In either case the company can always furlough less on oct 1. They can’t furlough more without sending more notices.
Clear as mud?
Or, ExpressJet sent out the wrong attachment. The letter-to-come sent out early. I still don’t get it.
07-16-2020 | 08:55 AM
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It seems pretty clear to me. We won't have jobs come Sept 30th lol .
"We regret to inform you that your position has been identified as one that will be eliminated, and your last day of employment with ExpressJet will be September 30, 2020." "Your last day of work will be September 30, 2020. You will be placed on furlough effective October 1, 2020."
Sounds to me like their are gearing up to just completely close the doors if a miracle doesn't happen before then. 20% passenger throughput off last year is not going to keep this place afloat.
"We regret to inform you that your position has been identified as one that will be eliminated, and your last day of employment with ExpressJet will be September 30, 2020." "Your last day of work will be September 30, 2020. You will be placed on furlough effective October 1, 2020."
Sounds to me like their are gearing up to just completely close the doors if a miracle doesn't happen before then. 20% passenger throughput off last year is not going to keep this place afloat.
07-16-2020 | 09:12 AM
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Not exactly. They have to present to the BK judge their position and UALALPA presents theirs and then the judge rules. BK isn’t a free for all. It has rules and repercussions.
if a scope change is directed upon the pilot group the company will have 30yrs of ****ed off work groups who will make them pay.
the only folks wanting scope relief are RJ pilots. What you fail to realize it hampers your career. I never wanted to spend 12 yrs at Xjet
if a scope change is directed upon the pilot group the company will have 30yrs of ****ed off work groups who will make them pay.
the only folks wanting scope relief are RJ pilots. What you fail to realize it hampers your career. I never wanted to spend 12 yrs at Xjet
07-16-2020 | 09:29 AM
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I don’t think there will be a BK. I expect an assist transfer (training/proprietary software/tools) to C5. XJT will just stop operating. The WARN notice to all employees minimizes the liability of this move to the stake holders. C5 will then most likely offer employment opportunities to the XJT members with little emphasis on seniority. On the pilot side it most likely would be weighted to attendance and training record. Of course the offer would be at first year pay.
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