ExpressJet requesting leave of absences?
03-09-2008 | 11:37 AM
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That 2400-post mammoth? I have a post in there somewhere, but I've forgotten what it was about. Trying to wade through that heap makes my head spin. In the last three pages, there was one mention of something called a TOWOP, but I've no idea what that is. On the other hand, there is an entire thread related to XJTs voluntary furloughs, or whatever it is you crazy kids call them. That is my point: it's easier to get (mis)information about XJT, RAH, or SKW than any other airline in the regional forum.
03-09-2008 | 11:39 AM
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That 2400-post mammoth? I have a post in there somewhere, but I've forgotten what it was about. Trying to wade through that heap makes my head spin. In the last three pages, there was one mention of something called a TOWOP, but I've no idea what that is. On the other hand, there is an entire thread related to XJTs voluntary furloughs, or whatever it is you crazy kids call them. That is my point: it's easier to get (mis)information about XJT, RAH, or SKW than any other airline in the regional forum.
03-09-2008 | 11:39 AM
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From: ERJ FO
Point is, if you don't work there, you don't know...
03-09-2008 | 11:40 AM
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My true feelings? I have no emotional thoughts on any of this. I'm taking nothing personal unlike some. Have all the 401K matching you want but I'd rather have a job. The pilots pay isn't what's costing the company if that's not obvious I don't know what is.
03-09-2008 | 12:01 PM
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First year nothing, second 2.5%.
My true feelings? I have no emotional thoughts on any of this. I'm taking nothing personal unlike some. Have all the 401K matching you want but I'd rather have a job. The pilots pay isn't what's costing the company if that's not obvious I don't know what is.
My true feelings? I have no emotional thoughts on any of this. I'm taking nothing personal unlike some. Have all the 401K matching you want but I'd rather have a job. The pilots pay isn't what's costing the company if that's not obvious I don't know what is.
Why don't you take this attitude to the guys at the Majors and see how much they agree with you? You are as low as a scab.
03-09-2008 | 12:42 PM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Erm...I'm at XJT and, to the best of my knowledge, I still have a job...
To be honest, if my company is fat on labor I would rather they go about reducing that expense this way, with voluntary "time off", than by just taking an axe to the bottom of the seniority list. I think it really shows some class and caring for your employees to OFFER time off WITH BENNIES (but without pay) to those who want it than by making it mandatory (without pay OR bennies) for those who may not aka a furlough.
To be honest, if my company is fat on labor I would rather they go about reducing that expense this way, with voluntary "time off", than by just taking an axe to the bottom of the seniority list. I think it really shows some class and caring for your employees to OFFER time off WITH BENNIES (but without pay) to those who want it than by making it mandatory (without pay OR bennies) for those who may not aka a furlough.
03-09-2008 | 12:43 PM
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From: XJT furloughed due to non-ALPA undercutting
As opposed to most cr@p hole operations flying regional jets, XJT actually does care about their people, and no this isn't to mitigate furloughs, it's just to improve the bottom line for a few months and give a few people the chance to take a month or two off, and no COLA's are not mandatory, they usually go quite senior. Most of these COLAs will go to those who want a month to run their other businesses, or travel if they don't need the money. The beauty of working for a decent regional is you have the luxury of taking a month off without going to the poor house, granted the COLAs are only for FOs. Some pilots are looking forward to it, as they have new ones at home and will enjoy the time off. As opposed to non-union airlines, by definition, COLAs are NOT mandatory, those are called furloughs, and XJT is not even considering such a measure. The COLAs offer a win-win, for the company and the pilots.
I know many people would love to see the demise of XJT, especially the bottom sucking CEOs of certain regionals, simply because they can point to XJT and say to their scared pilot groups, "look, see what happens with a good contract, your company will go out of business." If you believe XJT is going out of business, you'll be quite suprised. XJT is going to go through a hard time with 106 dollar oil, as will all the majors. RJET will be fine since according to their 10K, all fuel costs are pass through expenses to the major provider. XJT only has 210 airplanes under such arrangement, leaving 64 airplanes at risk for high fuel prices. For all in the regional industry, you should hope for the success of XJT, as XJTs success will allow for better contracts in the industry.
Jet jock: read your FARS, within 90 days no training is required... wait isn't that 3 months...
I know many people would love to see the demise of XJT, especially the bottom sucking CEOs of certain regionals, simply because they can point to XJT and say to their scared pilot groups, "look, see what happens with a good contract, your company will go out of business." If you believe XJT is going out of business, you'll be quite suprised. XJT is going to go through a hard time with 106 dollar oil, as will all the majors. RJET will be fine since according to their 10K, all fuel costs are pass through expenses to the major provider. XJT only has 210 airplanes under such arrangement, leaving 64 airplanes at risk for high fuel prices. For all in the regional industry, you should hope for the success of XJT, as XJTs success will allow for better contracts in the industry.
Jet jock: read your FARS, within 90 days no training is required... wait isn't that 3 months...
03-09-2008 | 12:52 PM
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From: SkyWest Capt.
I love how, at the regional level, we all know that we live and die by our contracts but yet we act like little girls when someone else comes along and underbid us. It's not our flying. Whine all you want but it's called business.
I laugh because so many of us blindly think pilot pay has everything to do with it when it actually plays such a small part! LOL!
I laugh because so many of us blindly think pilot pay has everything to do with it when it actually plays such a small part! LOL!
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03-09-2008 | 12:56 PM
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From: XJT furloughed due to non-ALPA undercutting
Toiletduck, please don't tell a bunch of pilots that you enjoy doing their job for less.
What if XJT ALPA wanted to ask for a pay raise in a few years? It would be a tough arguement because we Chautauquas and Mesas that will do our job for less, and flying gets assigned to the lowest bidder, as Contrails reminded.But, i'm sure you know this though right. Don't let RAH pride mix with the fact that we should all be making more money.
Just ask someone that flew in the good old days, when wages were liveable before RJs and their bar lowering pilots moved in. We're all guilty, but I am different because I dont have the attitude of settling for less, like some.
What if XJT ALPA wanted to ask for a pay raise in a few years? It would be a tough arguement because we Chautauquas and Mesas that will do our job for less, and flying gets assigned to the lowest bidder, as Contrails reminded.But, i'm sure you know this though right. Don't let RAH pride mix with the fact that we should all be making more money.
Just ask someone that flew in the good old days, when wages were liveable before RJs and their bar lowering pilots moved in. We're all guilty, but I am different because I dont have the attitude of settling for less, like some.
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