ASA / Expressjet merge pilot groups?
05-03-2011, 10:49 AM
#91
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Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
total pilots * credit hours per year * hourly pay rate = rough estimate of pilot labor cost
If you take hourly pay rate * 2, you don't get anywhere near the same total as hourly pay rate * 1.
I get the point that pilot labor costs are a smaller part of the budget pie than some of the other slices (fuel, facilities, maintenance, aircraft leases)...but to say it's an inconsequential slice is in denial of reality.
At ASA, we just got this giant pay cut from DAL. The way they *were* running an airline and making money doesn't work after that. So, they're trying to figure out how to run an airline and make money in an age of lower total compensation from the primary mainline partner. Keeping crew/labor costs lower is one of the ways they can try to achieve that.
I'm not endorsing it or saying it's right or the best way, but it's one facet in a multi-faceted approach.
05-03-2011, 11:24 AM
#92
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Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Crew salaries and benefits are still only part of the crew costs. Training, tsa requirements, parking, jepp updates, overhead, and hotel costs are all part of your cost not just your pay rate. I'm sure someone already said this but there are quality of life increases that I want that do have a cost, that our competition does not have.
Crew salaries and benefits are still only part of the crew costs. Training, tsa requirements, parking, jepp updates, overhead, and hotel costs are all part of your cost not just your pay rate. I'm sure someone already said this but there are quality of life increases that I want that do have a cost, that our competition does not have.
05-03-2011, 12:20 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by antbar01
To those who are under the spell of management, I suggest that the next time you're at cruise... do a little calculating as to what the entire crew is making on the given leg you are flying, versus the amount of money that is being combusted in the rear of the aircraft. It's high school math, and at XJT we have the fuel price paid by the company right on our paperwork (ask the fueler if you need to).
If you do this, you will see that if you are an FO like myself that your entire salary for the flight is comparable to the cost to the company incurred when ATC let one extra dude take off before you when you already had them both turning. Note too that NOBODY from ASA or XJT has asked for fuel conservation measures in the last few years.
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
If you do this, you will see that if you are an FO like myself that your entire salary for the flight is comparable to the cost to the company incurred when ATC let one extra dude take off before you when you already had them both turning. Note too that NOBODY from ASA or XJT has asked for fuel conservation measures in the last few years.
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
05-03-2011, 05:56 PM
#94
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Originally Posted by antbar01
Note too that NOBODY from ASA or XJT has asked for fuel conservation measures in the last few years.
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
Don't misunderstand, I think there should be a uniform, mainline level salary for all part 121 operations. But realistically, let's shoot for what we can actually get.
05-04-2011, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gtechpilot
Project APU? Performance Cost Index? Attilla (sp?)? Those are three major efforts to save fuel at ASA over the last several years to cut fuel costs.
Airlines historically operate on very low profit margins - when you're only set to make 1-4%, doubling our salary would quickly eat into that profit!
Don't misunderstand, I think there should be a uniform, mainline level salary for all part 121 operations. But realistically, let's shoot for what we can actually get.
Airlines historically operate on very low profit margins - when you're only set to make 1-4%, doubling our salary would quickly eat into that profit!
Don't misunderstand, I think there should be a uniform, mainline level salary for all part 121 operations. But realistically, let's shoot for what we can actually get.
Earnings (or lack there of) call is today at 11am i believe.....lets see what they have to say.
05-05-2011, 08:11 AM
#98
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Originally Posted by antbar01
To those who are under the spell of management, I suggest that the next time you're at cruise... do a little calculating as to what the entire crew is making on the given leg you are flying, versus the amount of money that is being combusted in the rear of the aircraft. It's high school math, and at XJT we have the fuel price paid by the company right on our paperwork (ask the fueler if you need to).
If you do this, you will see that if you are an FO like myself that your entire salary for the flight is comparable to the cost to the company incurred when ATC let one extra dude take off before you when you already had them both turning. Note too that NOBODY from ASA or XJT has asked for fuel conservation measures in the last few years.
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
If you do this, you will see that if you are an FO like myself that your entire salary for the flight is comparable to the cost to the company incurred when ATC let one extra dude take off before you when you already had them both turning. Note too that NOBODY from ASA or XJT has asked for fuel conservation measures in the last few years.
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Pilots suffer from (appropriately) enormous egos, but don't allow your judgement to be clouded as to how much your big fat check is hurting the company's shareholders.
05-05-2011, 10:47 AM
#99
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Position: CRJ CA
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Originally Posted by Dexter
Crew salaries and benefits are a minute fraction of the equation. They could double our pay and have nearly the same bottom line.
Crew salaries and benefits are still only part of the crew costs. Training, tsa requirements, parking, jepp updates, overhead, and hotel costs are all part of your cost not just your pay rate. I'm sure someone already said this but there are quality of life increases that I want that do have a cost, that our competition does not have.
Crew salaries and benefits are still only part of the crew costs. Training, tsa requirements, parking, jepp updates, overhead, and hotel costs are all part of your cost not just your pay rate. I'm sure someone already said this but there are quality of life increases that I want that do have a cost, that our competition does not have.
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