Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

1. We are all on the same team

2. Xjt being bigger than ASA means nothing because when all of ASA votes yes to a slight improvement, it will only take a small percentage of scared pussies at XJT to vote yes as well and this thing passes.

3. A note on trip trading at xjt: I can make literally 50 different strategic trades in a matter of seconds online. No submitting and waiting for approval. That is nonsense

4. You guys arguing about two crappy regional airlines with two crappy contracts is crazy. I expect a contract that is similar to a mainline and pay proportionate to the size of aircraft we fly. No more of this anything smaller than a 737 falls off a payscale cliff. I am not going to be apart of the further downfall of the profession. As long as we keep accepting downright absurd pay for the amount of responsibility we carry and the investment in both time and money it took to get here, the more outsourcing grows and the more we will be whipsawed against whoever every time the CPA comes due.

5. Reality check: We make 6% less than contract '04. If we sign a contract in 2011 it will have been seven years. 7 years with a historical average of 3% inflation per year. So lets do the math. Current XJT rates + 6% to regain concessions + 21% for seven years of inflation = 28% pay increase to MAINTAIN contract '04 buying power! I dont know about you guys but my food and life is much more expensive now then it was in '04. WAKE UP and GET SERIOUS. Start thinking about your futures in this profession and stop trying to subsidize growth and management raises with your own paycheck. The buck stops here and I am terrified that my ASA brothers dont feel the same.

Originally Posted by dojetdriver

So for the guys that do get unstacked, it's basically "tough sh1T"? Not the case with line bid. Again, find me some language in the XJT CBA that comes anywhere near what unstacking is.



So you've talked to the XJT scheduling committee rep and seen how XJT does it? I'll say it AGAIN, the XJT line bid/LIW system is NOT the one you had at ASA. How many times does that have to be repeated?



See above.



Again, just like you expect XJT to understand PBS, you should try to understand XJT's system. Instead of calling B.S. on it.



Yep, that is good for you guys. AGAIN, talk to the XJT scheduling chair. There's just NO WAY possible the current PBS system will work with our CBA. Which just brings the discussion back full circle, inheriting it will be ANOTHER concession for the majority of pilots on the combined list.



Have you ever worked under the XJT line bidding system? Because where does all the ignorance about it come from?

And if you want to sling names, that I purposely DIDN'T quote, have at it man.

Originally Posted by LivinTheDream28

Arguing about two crappy regional contracts huh? The ONLY major that has a better contract than XJT is Southwest. That's right, you read that correctly. I've jumpseated on them all, and everyone I've talked to said they would love to have some of our provisions. As for the guy that's has no clue about our bid system: we bid lines for the senior guys to get what they want, that's it. I haven't flown a single trip on my line since 2007. Its because I turn my 12 day off line working weekends at 75 hours into a 17 day off line at 90 hours with weekends off. I do this every month because I understand the system. We lose what we have, then its very simple. I quit. This job isn't worth never seeing your family and doing crappy 4 days every weekend. No thanks.

Originally Posted by hendefea

Like i said before....you can trade/swap...whatever..with pbs. And AGAIN...i dont get this? So if you work weekends you quit? So WHO WORKS WEEKENDS AT YOUR COMPANY???? I dont get it....

Originally Posted by Xjetter

Can't shoot it down. skywest pilots must first vote for alpa. You can't force a workgroup to unionize.. So we wait...

Originally Posted by PeezDog

Well the XJT contract is better than ours. Better = improvement. Not saying I wouldn't be for improvements on top of that if we can get it. But I wouldn't be to terribly dissatisfied with your contract, plus a nice raise and no PBS, if that's what we ended up with in the end. Not saying I'm going to vote yes at the first offer that comes along. But that's just me. I know you guys want more. If I like what I see, then I will vote yes. If not, then I will vote no. You can do the same. And yes, you working under concessions is not my concern, so stop trying to make it my concern.

BTW, that raise we got from PBS was 1%. It didn't even add up to a dollar for me. So it wasn't much of a raise.

Originally Posted by hendefea

Im still waiting to hear exactly what you guys dont like about it? Has anyone said that yet? I dont believe so.

Originally Posted by hemaybedid

I guess I'll explain it again. You haven't seen any raise yet from the PBS agreement. You're 1% doesn't come until Nov this year when our normal 1% comes. The only difference is that we wouldn't have gotten it this year because last year we got our last 1% as stipulated by the contract. Again, it's really a slap in the face and certainly not what I would have accepted to vote yes on PBS.

Originally Posted by PeezDog

Where have I said that I like PBS or anything about it?

Originally Posted by PeezDog

BTW, that raise we got from PBS was 1%. It didn't even add up to a dollar for me. So it wasn't much of a raise.