Ya know some of you XJT guys need to lighten up a bit. Getting pretty sick of this we're bigger and better than you so we don't care about your concerns attitude. We are all on the same team now. So how about we all give our opinions and maybe we can come up with something together that will work for EVERYONE. This my way or the highway attitude has gotta go. Oh and god forbid an ASA guy gives his opinion, jump down their throat immediately. I can understand being ****ed about having to take concessions and the way things have been run over there and getting back what you lost plus some more improvements. But ASA pilots are not the enemy, so stop talking like we are. Your MEC is working with our MEC, to get all of us a good contract. So, I'm sure your concerns are being voiced. So take a chill pill and relax and wait and see what we are presented with first, before getting your panties in a bunch. Rant over.

 

Likewise. Stop getting so defensive about PBS and take the time to sit down with an XJT guy and have them explain how our Line Improvement windows work. Most will "See the Light."

 

Well the XJT contract is better than ours. Better = improvement. Not saying I wouldn't be for improvements on top of that if we can get it. But I wouldn't be to terribly dissatisfied with your contract, plus a nice raise and no PBS, if that's what we ended up with in the end. Not saying I'm going to vote yes at the first offer that comes along. But that's just me. I know you guys want more. If I like what I see, then I will vote yes. If not, then I will vote no. You can do the same. And yes, you working under concessions is not my concern, so stop trying to make it my concern.

BTW, that raise we got from PBS was 1%. It didn't even add up to a dollar for me. So it wasn't much of a raise.

 

Ummm what? I cant tell if this is sarcasm or what? I (and almost everyone i know) likes pbs...alot. I had 104 hours or credit in april. How u get that with 12 hour 4 days is beyond me. So in you system, you claim that u want weekends off...done? Really. so who flys your flights on the weekends? Everyone flies 2 days aswell? Interesting. Talk about educating...do it yourself. We can trade and adjust legs of trips in open time and the trade board....so if u want to adjust ur schedule...do it. I for one am a middle of the road FO who now can get weekends off and/or any day that i need off for a specific occasion. Its great. Sisters graduation...off. Easter...off. Grandpa's b day party...off. You guys really need to chill. Maybe you should look into what WE have aswell. We both can benefit from each other...learn to calm down a bit. The skywest mgmt track record is pretty good so far. I would give them just a little bit of the benefit of a doubt when it comes to running an airline. But go ahead....keep making ridiculous remarks and having a bad attitude. It seemed to work well for you when you almost went bankrupt. Again....life is too short to be ****edd off all the time....

 

I agree with u 100%. Well put. I know for one....ASA guys arnt bad mouthing expressjet guys. We are eager to get this thing going and get a good outcome. This...im better and bigger than you really has to stop. It wont get anyone anywhere...guaranteed.

 

That's a 2 way street brother. Some of the ASA people need to stop with the "we bought you, so tough sh1t you have to take everything we have" mentality. Like I've said, the ASA contract is weak, no way in hell I want to inherit that thing.

As blastoff mentioned, if ASA people took the time to ACTUALLY educate themselves about the line bid/LIW system that XJT has, they'd be singing a different tune.

Yep, we get it, your previous line bid system sucked. That WASN'T XJT's line bid system. Just like the ASA PBS system is superior to just about every other PBS system out there. But at the end of the day, it's STILL PBS, to include the unstacking language.

Beg to differ. If the JCBA doesn't get back the money XJT lost and then some, and it's voted down, that's just longer the two groups remain separate. That ALSO means it's linger you have to work under your current CBA. Therefore, it IS your problem. Like I said, I'm fine working under my current workrules, I WON'T be fine working under ASA's.

 

Yep, doesn't matter. That the language is there is bad enough. Go into the XJT CBA and see if you can find ANYTHING that can be compared to unstacking.

Old, but STILL valid argument. With the line bidding, worst case, you ALWAYS know what you'll get. With the ability to fix it in the LIW's.

As opposed to a wish list that can be totally disregarded. And with the nature of the beast that is PBS, very little, if any open time to polish the turd.

 

That's what I mean. It will be my problem if you guys start having unrealistic demands and drag this out longer than it has to just because you want to burn the place down. Of course getting what you lost back is not unrealistic and I don't expect you to want anything less. I'm just getting the feeling that no matter how many improvements we get offered, a lot will turn it down just because.

I don't know where your getting this notion that we (ASA pilots) want to keep our current work rules and that we want to force them on you. Your work rules are better and I would like to adopt them, as would many of my co-workers. And we did buy you. So what? No one thinks that we are better than you or that you don't have the right to fight for what you want in the new contract. I think many of us are concerned about what I said above. Wanting to burn the place down and drag this thing out and make this process miserable for everyone. Maybe that's what your picking up on. And before you say, I'm not saying we should just bend over and take it. We deserve a good contract that is good and an improvement for everyone. Anything less I will vote no. When I like what I see I will vote yes. Until then I will vote no. You have the right to do the same. Like I said before, chill out and wait and see what our MEC's come up with.

 

Instead of having all of these internet wizzing challenges, why don't we just let the people who are on the JNC do their jobs. No chest pounding or jersey shore fist pumping on a web board is going to accomplish anything. I get why the XJT guys are upset and I get what the ASA guys want. Lets just let both of our guys do whats in our best interest and when it comes time to vote, vote accordingly.

 

Exactly. Agreed 100%