ASA / Expressjet merge pilot groups?
04-27-2011, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by johnpeace
- Most of the XJet pilots I have talked to have exactly the opposite attitude and think that they're working under a 'concessionary' contract and that they can't possibly gain enough of a pay increase to make their job worth it.
We ARE working under a concessionary contract, there is NO thinking we are what so ever.
04-27-2011, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by johnpeace
- Most of the XJet pilots I have talked to have exactly the opposite attitude and think that they're working under a 'concessionary' contract
Maybe you also missed basic business classes, because this merger wouldn't be happening (After being proposed TWICE) if SKW Inc didn't expect to make a killing on the deal by outsizing the competition, with Economies of Scale more than offsetting any increase in Pilot compensation.
04-27-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dba74
I don't think 3 years is accurate. Last I heard, directly from the committee, late fall, like someone else mentioned (October) was given as a completion time for the JCBA.
I'm not gonna speak for a whole group, but anything less than what we have now is a turd. If they wanna give us that, whatever. But I think it's safe to say that the XJT group (largest) isn't in the mood to take ANOTHER concession in any way shape or form.
Of course, management, as well as the MECs will use the standard scare tactics to try and get it through on the first go. Some of them have already started.
04-27-2011, 11:09 AM
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How do you guys think a vote would work? With express jet having a larger group I would think that each pilot group would vote on it and if it passed both groups then it would be approved.
04-27-2011, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
How do you guys think a vote would work? With express jet having a larger group I would think that each pilot group would vote on it and if it passed both groups then it would be approved.
04-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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Just looked through the TPA, and the way I read it, both MECs have to approve the JCBA individually, then a simple majority of the combined pilot group.
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04-27-2011, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Remember, it's voted on. If they present us with a turd, vote appropriately.
I'm not gonna speak for a whole group, but anything less than what we have now is a turd. If they wanna give us that, whatever. But I think it's safe to say that the XJT group (largest) isn't in the mood to take ANOTHER concession in any way shape or form.
Of course, management, as well as the MECs will use the standard scare tactics to try and get it through on the first go. Some of them have already started.
I'm not gonna speak for a whole group, but anything less than what we have now is a turd. If they wanna give us that, whatever. But I think it's safe to say that the XJT group (largest) isn't in the mood to take ANOTHER concession in any way shape or form.
Of course, management, as well as the MECs will use the standard scare tactics to try and get it through on the first go. Some of them have already started.
04-27-2011, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by captain beefy
I keep hearing that tossed around, how XJT outnumbers ASA. And they do. But do numbers matter when something goes to mediation?
Maybe SOC will be complete by the fall, like that stupid colorful brochure I got in the mail says it will. But I think that a JCBA, SLI, and a MOAB in the fall is a tad optimistic.
04-27-2011, 04:16 PM
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What do you mean "think they are working under a concessionary contract?"
The pre-concessionary ideal, however, simply isn't sustainable under ASA's business model. Apparently, it wasn't sustainable under XJet's business model either, which is why there had to be concessions in the first place.
My point is that since 66% of the labor group is stubbornly seems determined to hold out for an unrealistic, unsustainable ideal from '04, this isn't going anywhere fast and will likely wind up in mediation. In mediation, none of us will get as good a deal as we could negotiate for ourselves.
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