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Old 03-01-2012 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
You said you make a good paycheck. Well how much do you make? Last I heard it wasn't Southwest, Delta, UPS, Fedex, JetBlue, American, United, Hawaiian,US Airways, Expressjet, Skywest, American Eagle, Spirit, or Virgin American asking you to sign a bond. So whom do you work for and how much do you make? It is relevant by the way.
Again, be it $10,000 per year or $1,000,000 per year, a contractual agreement is an agreement regardless of anything else not included in the contract. If they were to change your pay for the better, you would not complain. If they were to start paying you less, you would complain. Since pay rate in NOT included in a training contract, the idea of a certain pay rate, is irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
Did your company pay for your flight training or were you already a low time CPL holder? My guess is you were a low timer with no other options. You signed up for a bond and poverty level wages because nobody else would take you, am I correct? .... You are obviously new to this industry.
The fact that you have to ask me at the end of your judgement tells me you are not confident in your assumptions. These assumptions, right or wrong, are also irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
Your management team sees guys like you as an opportunity to reduce labor costs and increase profits at your expense. They will do it because the can and people are stupid enough to take it. They also know you probably can't afford to fight them in court anyway.
You're absolutely right. I (meaning me on a training contract) am exactly how they reduce labor costs. That is their right as business managers. This fact, the relationship between labor costs and training contracts, is also irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
Your management any everyone elses out there will **** you over at the drop of a hat to save a nickel. ... And you claimed it was ME who was bringing the industry down for not be willing to go along with atrocity like that. There is no honor amognst thieves.
You're right. This fact IS relevant. If there is no honor among thieves.... then stop being a thief, since that is what you are doing by not upholding a contractual agreement that you voluntarily agreed to. I do not know how to say it any differently... if you make an agreement, you are bound by it. If you welch on it... you are a thief.

Originally Posted by IBPilot
I agree Fly Boy. Nobody forces anyone into applying to/working for/signing with a company that is pay to play. Nobody applies there and they will change their tune real quick. Those that go there are doing it generally to get a head start on that PIC time and leapfrog the guys that put in time the legit/old fashioned way. Therefore if you do pay to play, and do not uphold your end, you are as big a douche as the management. You are getting ahead twice at the expense of your fellow pilots.
Well said, IBPilot!
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Old 03-01-2012 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Boy Knight
Again, be it $10,000 per year or $1,000,000 per year, a contractual agreement is an agreement regardless of anything else not included in the contract. If they were to change your pay for the better, you would not complain. If they were to start paying you less, you would complain. Since pay rate in NOT included in a training contract, the idea of a certain pay rate, is irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.



The fact that you have to ask me at the end of your judgement tells me you are not confident in your assumptions. These assumptions, right or wrong, are also irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.



You're absolutely right. I (meaning me on a training contract) am exactly how they reduce labor costs. That is their right as business managers. This fact, the relationship between labor costs and training contracts, is also irrelevant to you breaking a contractual agreement you voluntarily agreed to.



You're right. This fact IS relevant. If there is no honor among thieves.... then stop being a thief, since that is what you are doing by not upholding a contractual agreement that you voluntarily agreed to. I do not know how to say it any differently... if you make an agreement, you are bound by it. If you welch on it... you are a thief.



Well said, IBPilot!
One big question dodge in that reply. I'll answer my question for you since I knew it anyway. You are a low time pilot who went to one of the crappiest low paying scumbag outfits in existence. You went there and took the poverty level wages and the training contract because they are ONLY people who would take you. You were desperate and couldn't wait for a better offer to come along. You probably even have a few lame reasons to justify your choice to yourself to dime on that big turd sandwich which is Silver Airways or wherever. That is one of the many problems with the industry.

Since I don't work for any company that requires a contract and likely never will, your judgments of my moral character don't really matter. There are lions and lambs in the business world. I'm pretty sure I know where you are in the food chain. If a company is so weak that it must pay people so badly that they would want to leave for better pay and then charge them 25k for doing so, then they don't deserve to be in business. Screwing them out of that 25k helps expedite the death of these slimy operations and thus improves pay and QOL for us all. Feel free to thank those that did so. Enjoy falling on your sword when a better offer does come along. I am sure your management will appreciate your integrity all the way to the bank.

Expressjet is hiring everyone. No training contract and above average (for the industry) pay and work rules. It wight not be Fedex but you can definitely do worse. Just ask Fly Boy Knight.

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Old 03-01-2012 | 01:17 PM
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Again, I'm not sure how to say it differently. If you welch on a contractual agreement that you voluntarily agreed to, you are a thief and as "bad" as the people you are demonizing.
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Old 03-01-2012 | 01:31 PM
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Keep the discussion on the topic, guys, yeah?
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Old 03-01-2012 | 02:21 PM
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No kidding!
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Old 03-01-2012 | 07:33 PM
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So minimums went up to 1200 TT?
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Old 03-01-2012 | 07:41 PM
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So minimums went up to 1200 TT?
Looks like it! And very soon 1500/100.
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Old 03-01-2012 | 07:49 PM
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A buudy of mine got into the pool being at 1000 TT. They are asking him to get to 1200 TT before they put him in the class.
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Old 03-02-2012 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
One big question dodge in that reply. I'll answer my question for you since I knew it anyway. You are a low time pilot who went to one of the crappiest low paying scumbag outfits in existence. You went there and took the poverty level wages and the training contract because they are ONLY people who would take you. You were desperate and couldn't wait for a better offer to come along. You probably even have a few lame reasons to justify your choice to yourself to dime on that big turd sandwich which is Silver Airways or wherever. That is one of the many problems with the industry.

Since I don't work for any company that requires a contract and likely never will, your judgments of my moral character don't really matter. There are lions and lambs in the business world. I'm pretty sure I know where you are in the food chain. If a company is so weak that it must pay people so badly that they would want to leave for better pay and then charge them 25k for doing so, then they don't deserve to be in business. Screwing them out of that 25k helps expedite the death of these slimy operations and thus improves pay and QOL for us all. Feel free to thank those that did so. Enjoy falling on your sword when a better offer does come along. I am sure your management will appreciate your integrity all the way to the bank.

Expressjet is hiring everyone. No training contract and above average (for the industry) pay and work rules. It wight not be Fedex but you can definitely do worse. Just ask Fly Boy Knight.
One thing's for sure........I sure as heck wouldn't want to fly with you or hire you to fly my airplane. Just a bad attitude all around.

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Old 03-02-2012 | 02:24 PM
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Dude calm down it ain't that bad.
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