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Old 06-20-2013 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
At some carriers they dual qual via CD and manual. Take the MD88/90 as examples of aircraft with completely different engines and systems. Then you've got the 757 to 767-400 at Continental and Delta's mix and match 757 - 767 fleet. Figure in one day you could get out of a 175,000 jet and get into an aircraft that weighs just shy of a half million pounds and systems wise, nothing is the same.

The FAA has observed that pilots do a pretty good job following abnormal checklists. If Boeing had their way, everything in current production would be a single type (although the 737 really is anachronistic ... a 1960's overhead with new avionics).

ASA / Expressjet had (has) really good training. IMHO they've always gone well above the minimum standard that you see at some places. It is likely the FAA would waive whatever requirement (if one exists) for getting specific training, or make it inexpensive to comply with.
We already have a bare bones FAA Approved 700 <---> 200 transition program which consists of online training, and one sim day.
Old 06-20-2013 | 04:36 AM
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Thanks for the replies, I was referencing the timeline(out of curiosity) as to when folks could bid either ERJ/CRJ and any base as a result of one ISL with no 'fences'.

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There's no way to answer that question. JCBA negotiations are in the end game, but still no TA. I'm hearing TA by the end of summer? Then a month of road shoes and a vote. Will the TA pass? Your guess is as good as mine. I give it a 60/40 chance of passing. IF is passes, then SLI negotiations begin. (If it fails, back to the table for a few months). I believe the timeline for SLI is 9 months (Nevets will say for sure). That process is going to be ugly. As for fences, I seriously doubt they won't exist. I would think at least 18 months. I'd like to see a few years. Even when they come down, there won't be a system wide bump/flush bid, people will only be able to bid open vacancies.
Old 06-20-2013 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
There's no way to answer that question. JCBA negotiations are in the end game, but still no TA. I'm hearing TA by the end of summer? Then a month of road shoes and a vote. Will the TA pass? Your guess is as good as mine. I give it a 60/40 chance of passing. IF is passes, then SLI negotiations begin. (If it fails, back to the table for a few months). I believe the timeline for SLI is 9 months (Nevets will say for sure). That process is going to be ugly. As for fences, I seriously doubt they won't exist. I would think at least 18 months. I'd like to see a few years. Even when they come down, there won't be a system wide bump/flush bid, people will only be able to bid open vacancies.
Understood. In other words we've got quite some time to go before truly becoming a merged company ala DL/NW. I suppose our folks at the helm in ST. George were expecting that to be completed sooner. Well as with all things time will tell.


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Old 06-20-2013 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
There's no way to answer that question. JCBA negotiations are in the end game, but still no TA. I'm hearing TA by the end of summer? Then a month of road shoes and a vote. Will the TA pass? Your guess is as good as mine. I give it a 60/40 chance of passing. IF is passes, then SLI negotiations begin. (If it fails, back to the table for a few months). I believe the timeline for SLI is 9 months (Nevets will say for sure). That process is going to be ugly. As for fences, I seriously doubt they won't exist. I would think at least 18 months. I'd like to see a few years. Even when they come down, there won't be a system wide bump/flush bid, people will only be able to bid open vacancies.
Max 5 months, after JCBA, for a ruling IF there is an Arbitration.
Old 06-20-2013 | 06:39 AM
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Max 5 months, after JCBA, for a ruling IF there is an Arbitration.
Thanks, I knew it was less than a year.
Old 06-20-2013 | 06:57 AM
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Sorry if this has been discussed but I couldn't find it in the previous posts. How long are the current CPAs for on both the ERJ and CRJ sides?
The CAL ERJ CPA expires in 2020. The UAL ERJ CPA is coming due very soon. Not sure of the date. I believe that the DAL CRJ ASA expires in 2020. I have no idea about the UAL CRJ CPA.

Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Thanks for the replies, I was referencing the timeline(out of curiosity) as to when folks could bid either ERJ/CRJ and any base as a result of one ISL with no 'fences'.

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I believe the timeline for SLI is 9 months (Nevets will say for sure). That process is going to be ugly. As for fences, I seriously doubt they won't exist. I would think at least 18 months. I'd like to see a few years. Even when they come down, there won't be a system wide bump/flush bid, people will only be able to bid open vacancies.
It's more like 5 or 6 months depending on how long the arbitrator takes (assuming it goes to arbitration). I hope it's not ugly seeing that both groups just operate RJs. And I hope there aren't any fences.

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Old 06-20-2013 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I have no idea about the UAL CRJ CPA.
I *think it is 2015.
Old 06-20-2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
We already have a bare bones FAA Approved 700 <---> 200 transition program which consists of online training, and one sim day.
And that still, IMHO, is way too much. According to my Differences Check Instructor, the only differences training required by the FAA, at least for the sim portion, is to operate the slats/flaps
Old 06-20-2013 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
And that still, IMHO, is way too much. According to my Differences Check Instructor, the only differences training required by the FAA, at least for the sim portion, is to operate the slats/flaps
Well, that is ridiculous. While I think operating both variants is perfectly doable, I'm not sure how you can consider 1 day of ground and 1 day of sim "way too much". Operating the slats/flaps & EMER flaps is not enough. V1 cuts should very much be seen in the sim as the FADEC handles APR power differently. The possibility of a flameout & auto-relight loop should be seen. You've also got significantly different sight picture for approach, abnormal procedures with significant differences, etc. This is not a differences course that should be done by memo. The previous program was probably longer than needed, but I wouldn't want to see less than what they are doing now.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
And that still, IMHO, is way too much. According to my Differences Check Instructor, the only differences training required by the FAA, at least for the sim portion, is to operate the slats/flaps
WAIT....you forgot the part about how to slap a second FA around!
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