What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-02-2013, 04:35 PM
#3381
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
It's true. They are barely hanging on with the minimal rules we currently have. Scheduling people for 17hour days and 4 hour overnights. It's happened to me. If the company is having trouble with the current crap rules I feel the transition to the very restrictive new rules will be a Sh*$ Show at the very least.
It's a HUGE difference. Not so much for the majors and legacies. But for the regional carriers, being able to abuse and bank on a certain percentage of the crewmembers not even knowing their own legalities and regulations is their bread and butter.
I see a lot of fines and lost revenue coming.
It's a HUGE difference. Not so much for the majors and legacies. But for the regional carriers, being able to abuse and bank on a certain percentage of the crewmembers not even knowing their own legalities and regulations is their bread and butter.
I see a lot of fines and lost revenue coming.
We all know the 50 seat CRJ is going to the desert sooner rather than later. The company is looking for ways to be flexible as this occurs. They can flex that additional savings right into my wallet.
07-02-2013, 06:04 PM
#3382
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Position: A320
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
Perhaps you should start by understanding what your rights are. Evidential you don't.
07-03-2013, 04:36 PM
#3383
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Read my post a few times and try real hard to understand what I'm saying. Go ahead. Try it. Try a little more. Ok. You get it now? Goodjob.
I read it dooch. You are whining about staffing and the fall out from with the $7 an hour morons working scheduling. Find a pilot group that has captured staffing control. And you expect a crappy little regional to grab it? File some contract complaints. IF you spent half the energy you spend here whining, encouraging others to file complaints when the company attempts to violate the contract, the unions goons would have a pile of complaints to drop on Tutts desk. He could not hide from that nor could the flight attendant than runs crew planning hide it. Everytime Holt and Tutts box gets flooded, things change. Why do they regress? Because wusses like you whine here instead of doing it in a form that be used.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
07-03-2013, 05:49 PM
#3384
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
I read it dooch. You are whining about staffing and the fall out from with the $7 an hour morons working scheduling. Find a pilot group that has captured staffing control. And you expect a crappy little regional to grab it? File some contract complaints. IF you spent half the energy you spend here whining, encouraging others to file complaints when the company attempts to violate the contract, the unions goons would have a pile of complaints to drop on Tutts desk. He could not hide from that nor could the flight attendant than runs crew planning hide it. Everytime Holt and Tutts box gets flooded, things change. Why do they regress? Because wusses like you whine here instead of doing it in a form that be used.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
Aww poor baby gets all sensitive on the forums. With words like that you've got to be compensating for something. I have no clue who you are or what your flying experience is. So I'm in no place to judge but I bet you haven't got the guts to man up and run your mouth like that in person. I've met people like you. Just gotta be confrontational. It's ok, you can get all worked up over things that you misinterpret. But you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE who I'am and should think twice about making assumptions. Sure wish I was cool enough to sum a person up based on their forum posts.
Thanks for your awesome contribution to the thread.
07-04-2013, 04:23 AM
#3385
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Posts: 89
It doesn't matter how other regional contracts line up with X-Jet's. The cold hard truth is that it is still woefully inadequate to retain pilots. A few simple, low cost changes to our contract would make a huge difference in moral and productivity. Especially from a reserve standpoint.
Several years ago, 250 hour pilots were waltzing through the door and had to stick it out in order to gain turbine time, and some PIC time. They put up with the contract because they HAD to. We have a different callibur of pilot now. Most of the pilots we are getting are recycled airline pilots, or military, that already have the time they need to move on. They are merely here to gain currency or their ATP. I'd say 1 in 10 pilots I've flown with recently is a flight instructor that needs that time. The military folks aren't going to put up with our contract- they'll just leave. And that is EXACTLY what has been happening. If reserve work rules were just a hair different, I think many of them would stay longer, until their choice mainline carrier called them up for employment. As it stands now, they come here and bolt immediately to Spirity, JB, Kalitta, Atlas, or another interim airline.
Also, why is it the ERJ folks are getting 200% pick up pay, and the CRJ folks get 150%?
Several years ago, 250 hour pilots were waltzing through the door and had to stick it out in order to gain turbine time, and some PIC time. They put up with the contract because they HAD to. We have a different callibur of pilot now. Most of the pilots we are getting are recycled airline pilots, or military, that already have the time they need to move on. They are merely here to gain currency or their ATP. I'd say 1 in 10 pilots I've flown with recently is a flight instructor that needs that time. The military folks aren't going to put up with our contract- they'll just leave. And that is EXACTLY what has been happening. If reserve work rules were just a hair different, I think many of them would stay longer, until their choice mainline carrier called them up for employment. As it stands now, they come here and bolt immediately to Spirity, JB, Kalitta, Atlas, or another interim airline.
Also, why is it the ERJ folks are getting 200% pick up pay, and the CRJ folks get 150%?
07-04-2013, 05:45 AM
#3386
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Joined APC: Jan 2012
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Posts: 100
Originally Posted by JumpersAway79
Also, why is it the ERJ folks are getting 200% pick up pay, and the CRJ folks get 150%?
07-04-2013, 05:54 AM
#3387
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Posts: 109
Military guy going to training with ??????
Can anyone give me some information about training? I will be in class soon for the ERJ and would like to know about the training program. Where do we stay, what is the schedule, do we get weekends off, how long are days, general stuff that will help me plan for the 60 days.
Thanks ahead of time looking forward to the flying.
Thanks ahead of time looking forward to the flying.
07-04-2013, 05:55 AM
#3388
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Originally Posted by yimke
Unless they improve the QOL of reserves drastically, there is no way people will vote to increase reserves. I hope the union follows the same opinion.
07-04-2013, 06:00 AM
#3389
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Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
I read it dooch. You are whining about staffing and the fall out from with the $7 an hour morons working scheduling. Find a pilot group that has captured staffing control. And you expect a crappy little regional to grab it? File some contract complaints. IF you spent half the energy you spend here whining, encouraging others to file complaints when the company attempts to violate the contract, the unions goons would have a pile of complaints to drop on Tutts desk. He could not hide from that nor could the flight attendant than runs crew planning hide it. Everytime Holt and Tutts box gets flooded, things change. Why do they regress? Because wusses like you whine here instead of doing it in a form that be used.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
To paraphrase "Suck it up junior. Pay your dues and be glad you have a job. too bad you weren't born sooner or you too could be a Senior Lifer like me, reaping the rewards of the inequitable contract I helped negotiate. Quit whining and file some grievances that we can pay more of my drinking buddies 6 hours of credit per day to ignore them or fire off emails telling you you're a whiner and you have no case."
07-04-2013, 06:14 AM
#3390
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Posts: 133
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PSA? Really? You need that to prove your point. File grievances, that's your solution?
I read it dooch. You are whining about staffing and the fall out from with the $7 an hour morons working scheduling. Find a pilot group that has captured staffing control. And you expect a crappy little regional to grab it? File some contract complaints. IF you spent half the energy you spend here whining, encouraging others to file complaints when the company attempts to violate the contract, the unions goons would have a pile of complaints to drop on Tutts desk. He could not hide from that nor could the flight attendant than runs crew planning hide it. Everytime Holt and Tutts box gets flooded, things change. Why do they regress? Because wusses like you whine here instead of doing it in a form that be used.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
Minimal rules? Go read a couple of other contracts sometime. For regional turds, the ASA contract has some fairly restrictive hours of service rules. However, you have nothing to compare it to because this is your first job. Nothing other than what affects your little world is you see through your myopic beady eyes. Go look at PSA "attaining" a better min day of 3.5 for an example. You don't have it as bad as you think do.
PSA? Really? You need that to prove your point. File grievances, that's your solution?
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