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Old 05-03-2013 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Oh wow, we have little to no worries then after the 200s scheduled CR2s leave if this is true. Has this been updated in the 10K or anywhere in writing?
Yeah, ok Nevets junior.

It's right next to the SEC filing of the ExpressJet division's individual profits and RASMs, and right before a copy of the renegotiated agreement for the Comair airplanes. I also have some ExpressJet stock I'll sell you.
Now I'm getting creeped out hat you do mention me in every other of your post. But anyway, if you read the 10Qs AND 10k, you will see that they do in fact report separate profit/loss.
Old 05-03-2013 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Now I'm getting creeped out hat you do mention me in every other of your post. But anyway, if you read the 10Qs AND 10k, you will see that they do in fact report separate profit/loss.
For ExpressJet's two divisions? I don't think so.

Reading comprehension is hard.
Old 05-03-2013 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Now I'm getting creeped out that you mention me in every other of your post. But anyway, if you read the 10Qs AND 10k, you will see that they do in fact report separate profit/loss.
For ExpressJet's two divisions? I don't think so.

Reading comprehension is hard.
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Page 49 of the Skywest Inc 2012 10K spells it out for everyone to see.

The SEC required Inc to report them separately a while ago. But I'm sure all you guys knew that.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/793733/000104746913001174/a2212817z10-k.htm

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Old 05-03-2013 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
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Page 49 of the Skywest Inc 2012 10K spells it out for everyone to see.

The SEC required Inc to report them separately a while ago. But I'm sure all you guys knew that.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...12817z10-k.htm
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My weekend started yesterday morning and I've had a healthy buzz ever since... it's way too easy to get you all worked up Nevets. Put down the XJT koolaid and have a real drink and relax instead of debating Admiral Tony on ridiculous semantics.
Old 05-03-2013 | 06:16 PM
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First right if refusal could be United sending RFPs out and obtaining RAH, GoJet and Mesa style bids, meaning cheaper than you guys. Then United, once the numbers have been crunched obtained a ball park figure from those regionals they could offer you the airplanes for that cost first and if you refuse they can politely tell you guys to shove in where the Sun doesn't shine... Expect your management to use this soon.
Old 05-03-2013 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
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Page 49 of the Skywest Inc 2012 10K spells it out for everyone to see.

The SEC required Inc to report them separately a while ago. But I'm sure all you guys knew that.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...12817z10-k.htm
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My weekend started yesterday morning and I've had a healthy buzz ever since... it's way too easy to get you all worked up Nevets. Put down the XJT koolaid and have a real drink and relax instead of debating Admiral Tony on ridiculous semantics.
So what part of that sec form did you not comprehend? You also joined commodore tony in saying that they didn't report profit/loss separately.

First right if refusal could be United sending RFPs out and obtaining RAH, GoJet and Mesa style bids, meaning cheaper than you guys. Then United, once the numbers have been crunched obtained a ball park figure from those regionals they could offer you the airplanes for that cost first and if you refuse they can politely tell you guys to shove in where the Sun doesn't shine... Expect your management to use this soon.
Almost, UAL is required to show Inc a bid. Inc can match it or pass. If they match it, UAL is required to give that flying to XJT. If they don't match it, UAL can award that flying to whoever they want. Which doesn't preclude them from still awarding it to XJT.

There are no guarantees an d I've never said such. This was just providing the evidence to tony that it does exist.
Old 05-04-2013 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Yeah, ok Nevets junior.

It's right next to the SEC filing of the ExpressJet division's individual profits and RASMs, and right before a copy of the renegotiated agreement for the Comair airplanes. I also have some ExpressJet stock I'll sell you.
It's still there, I had the date wrong, I was one year too early http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...12817z10-k.htm

ExpressJet and Delta are parties to the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement, originally dated as of September 8, 2005. As of December 31, 2012, ExpressJet operated 18 CRJ900s, 41 CRJ700s and 93 CRJ200s for Delta under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement. As of December 31, 2012, ExpressJet was operating more than 750 Delta Connection flights per day between Atlanta or Detroit and outlying destinations. Under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement, Delta is entitled to all passenger, cargo and other revenues associated with each flight. Commencing in 2008, ExpressJet obtained the right to maintain its percentage of total Delta Connection flights that it had in 2007, so long as its bid for additional regional flying is competitive with bids submitted by other regional carriers.

In exchange for providing the designated number of flights and performing ExpressJet's other obligations under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement, ExpressJet is scheduled to receive from Delta on a weekly basis (i) specified fixed rate payments for each completed flight, which are intended to pay for certain direct costs related to Delta Connection flights plus (ii) if ExpressJet completes a certain minimum percentage of its Delta Connection flights, an amount equal to a certain percentage of the direct costs (not including fuel costs) related to the Delta Connection flights. Costs directly reimbursed by Delta under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement include costs related to fuel, ground handling, and aircraft engine maintenance and aircraft ownership. The ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement also provides for incentive compensation based upon ExpressJet's performance, including on-time arrival performance and completion percentage rates.

The ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement provides that, upon the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreement (September 8, 2010), Delta obtained the right to require that certain contractual rates under that agreement shall not exceed the second lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection Program. On November 19, 2010, ExpressJet (formerly Atlantic Southeast) reached an agreement with Delta related to the second lowest rate provisions to be applied under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement. As a result of that agreement, ExpressJet and Delta have established the contractual rates which will apply under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement through December 31, 2015.

The ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement is scheduled to terminate on September 8, 2020, unless Delta elects to exercise its option to extend the term for up to four additional five-year terms. The ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement is subject to early termination in various circumstances including:


if ExpressJet or Delta commits a material breach of the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement, subject to 30-day notice and cure rights;
if ExpressJet fails to conduct all flight operations and maintain all aircraft under the ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement in compliance in all material respects with applicable government regulations;


if ExpressJet fails to satisfy certain performance and safety requirements;


if, under certain circumstances, Delta has a right to terminate the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement;


if the other party files for bankruptcy, reorganization or similar action (subject to limitations imposed by the U.S. Bankruptcy Code) or if either party makes an assignment for the benefit of creditors; or


if ExpressJet fails to maintain competitive base rate costs (provided, however, that ExpressJet has the right to adjust its rates prior to any such termination).
During 2012, we reached an agreement with Delta to add 34 additional used dual-class Bombardier regional jet aircraft in exchange for the early termination of 66 CRJ200 aircraft under our Delta Connection Agreements. All 34 dual-class aircraft will be operated under the terms and conditions of the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement regardless of whether SkyWest Airlines or ExpressJet operate the aircraft. The 34 additional aircraft consist of five CRJ700s and 29 CRJ900s. As of December 31, 2012, we had taken delivery of 15 CRJ900s and five CRJ700s. Of the 20 dual-class aircraft that were in operation as of December 31, 2012, ExpressJet was operating 11. The remaining lease terms of the 34 additional aircraft currently run through December 31, 2022. We anticipate that the 14 remaining CRJ900 aircraft will be delivered by June 2013. We anticipate that all 66 CRJ200 aircraft will be removed from the Delta Connection Agreements by December 31, 2015. Of the 66 CRJ200s scheduled to be removed from Delta operations, 41 CRJ200s are subleased from Delta for a nominal amount, which are scheduled to be returned to Delta without obligation to us.
In addition, the Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection Program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the second-lowest rate provision and agreed on rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection Program through December 31, 2015. As a result of the negotiated adjustment of the contractual rates under the Delta Connection Agreements, our passenger revenues for the year ended December 31, 2011 were approximately $21.7 million lower than they would have been under the rates that existed prior to the adjustment. Additionally, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast finalized certain contractual rates from September 8, 2008 through December 31, 2010 with Delta. As a result, we recorded $10.3 million in additional revenue as a result of the finalization of contractual rates during the quarter ended December 31, 2010. Under the terms of the SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreements, Delta has agreed to compensate SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet for initiatives that directly result in pass through cost savings. Delta agreed to share such savings with SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet on an equal basis for a twelve-month period. During the three months ended December 31, 2010, Delta paid, and SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast recognized, approximately $6.9 million in cost savings revenue. We did not receive similar payments during the year ended December 31, 2011. In addition, under our ExpressJet Delta Connection Agreement and our SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet United Express Agreements we are paid an incentive compensation upon the achievement of certain performance criteria. Our passenger revenues for the year ended December 31, 2011 were $18.9 million lower, compared to the year ended December 31, 2010, due primarily to our receipt of lower incentive payments.


Also, looks like the 80% in Atlanta rule is gone, replaced by keeping current percentage of DCI flights, as long as bid is competitive
Old 05-04-2013 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
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Page 49 of the Skywest Inc 2012 10K spells it out for everyone to see.

The SEC required Inc to report them separately a while ago. But I'm sure all you guys knew that.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...12817z10-k.htm
Page 49 shows the that Skywest made $106 million and Expressjet lost $18 million. I see no breakdown between Expressjet's two divisions.
Old 05-04-2013 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
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Page 49 of the Skywest Inc 2012 10K spells it out for everyone to see.

The SEC required Inc to report them separately a while ago. But I'm sure all you guys knew that.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...12817z10-k.htm
Page 49 shows the that Skywest made $106 million and Expressjet lost $18 million. I see no breakdown between Expressjet's two divisions.
True, I thought we were talking about subsidiaries. Got my conversations mixed up.
Old 05-04-2013 | 07:32 AM
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Skywest must have a very lucrative CPA with United. Expressjet is much bigger than Skywest, yet Skywest brings in much more revenue. The rates paid to Skywest and Expressjet for Delta flying are the same, as both carriers negotiated the 2nd lowest cost rate with Delta.

The E145 CPA is probably hampering revenue as well, which ironically, Skywest Inc did to themselves

Profitablity of the contracts seem to lean heavily on performance incentives, hence the reason management is going crazy with all these nexlev mind meld meetings after horrific performance this past quarter.
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