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Old 11-24-2014 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PeezDog
God, and you say we're thick. Get it threw your thick head, NO DUAL TRACKS ! Period. End of story. And I do take it personally when your MEC ignores the agreement to not negotiate behind our backs to sell us out. Meanwhile, we are missing out on flying and no one can upgrade
See that is where the ASA side can't get what they want. Put something in front of the Erj side that they can vote yes too. That is really hard to do without dual tracks in the retirement section and healthcare. The larger pilot group has to vote yes or it will tank again.

Demanding flightline to specifically benefit the top 10% in each seat is also pretty short sighted. The whole argument is ridiculous. Just flip a coin at this point and move on to the next 25 things you are going to fight like children over.
Old 11-24-2014 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
See that is where the ASA side can't get what they want. Put something in front of the Erj side that they can vote yes too. That is really hard to do without dual tracks in the retirement section and healthcare. The larger pilot group has to vote yes or it will tank again.

Demanding flightline to specifically benefit the top 10% in each seat is also pretty short sighted. The whole argument is ridiculous. Just flip a coin at this point and move on to the next 25 things you are going to fight like children over.
Maybe you'd like to take the time and read what an unrestricted and restricted group are in a Globalized system... The super senior stay protected....

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Old 11-24-2014 | 08:16 AM
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LOL at all the folks I've heard state, "They are going to shut down the erj side".
Old 11-24-2014 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cwils36
You're buying into our previous mgmt if you want to blame either MEC or pilot group for our inability to gain additional flying. Our previous leadership was awful and thats why we find ourselves in the situation we are in now. Look at republic and all the flying they've secured during their issues, AWAC just stole DC flying while turning down negotiations last year. Get over the fact that you're not upgrading bc its happening over here as well, and its neither sides fault.
Well we all know there's no guarantee that there will be more or less flying with or with out a TA, obviously. You can't deny that a whipsaw could be occurring on some level. But what I pointed out was that (as my union reps told me) was that your MEC went behind our backs and negotiated with the company. Specifically to cut us out. I take offense to that. Agreed though our previous management sucked and almost sunk the company. Whatever happens as the process unfolds, we'll just have to live with it.
Old 11-24-2014 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AnchorDown
Maybe you'd like to take the time and read what an unrestricted and restricted group are in a Globalized system... The super senior stay protected....

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I am well versed in both Pbs systems thanks for patronizing tone. Globalization will have a relatively small affect on a the majority of lineholders. If they have a proper bid placed they will most likely end up with a very similar pairing. Flightline is and can be manually adjusted... Doing the exact same thing as a globalized system.

Ps - seeing you put your screename as a signature on every post makes you appear as a grandpa using a computer for the first time. Your user name is literally 2 inches away and each post is blocked out and spaced.... We know it is you!

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Old 11-24-2014 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
See that is where the ASA side can't get what they want. Put something in front of the Erj side that they can vote yes too. That is really hard to do without dual tracks in the retirement section and healthcare. The larger pilot group has to vote yes or it will tank again.

Demanding flightline to specifically benefit the top 10% in each seat is also pretty short sighted. The whole argument is ridiculous. Just flip a coin at this point and move on to the next 25 things you are going to fight like children over.
I think you might be misinformed on how either of the pbs systems work. I am not in the top 10% and I benefit greatly from it. I'm maybe a little less then 50% on the FO side. So who's shortsighted? I also fail to see how trying to protect our quality of life is childish. Has this argument on this forum and between our MECs became childish, yes. And you are the larger group now, but that may not be the case for long if the pilot and aircraft attrition continues as we currently know it. At least today there was some good news. Hopefully that will continue
Old 11-24-2014 | 08:39 AM
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And I'd like to add that we all would love to have all of the good things in your contract, but that isn't going to happen. I am also not willing to give up my QOL so we can have them as well. The notion that you guys can have some things better then us and us you, defeats the purpose of a combined contract in the first place.
Old 11-24-2014 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
I am well versed in both Pbs systems thanks for patronizing tone. Globalization will have a relatively small affect on a the majority of lineholders. If they have a proper bid placed they will most likely end up with a very similar pairing. Flightline is and can be manually adjusted... Doing the exact same thing as a globalized system.

Ps - seeing you put your screename as a signature on every post makes you appear as a grandpa using a computer for the first time. Your user name is literally 2 inches away and each post is blocked out and spaced.... We know it is you!

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HA! You're a funny guy.

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Old 11-24-2014 | 08:58 AM
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HA! You're a funny guy.

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Old 11-24-2014 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ja2c
LOL at all the folks I've heard state, "They are going to shut down the erj side".
Ya. Won't shut down. But bet its a 50 aircraft fleet....
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