Agreed! I am sick of this BS. I could care less about which PBS we use. I am happy with the contract we have now on the ERJ. If we cant get something better, keep it the way it is.

This has just turned into a d*** measuring contest between the MEC's.

 

I'll agree that we'll agree to disagree lol. If you don't see the problem with having separate contracts in the new contact after its been explained over and over here, then you guys will never understand it. We shall see what is proposed and go from there.

 

I want a divorce.

 

You tell me you object but done give a reason other than you don't want it or you say that it's obvious.



You keep beating this dead horse PBS issue all out of the blue though. This conversation had died a few times on this thread and it's always you guys coming back with your club.

But at least you make your points clear. The problem, as I see it, is that you want a reasonable contract. So do we, but we believe that a reasonable contract doesn't include concessions. We don't believe either pilot group should take concessions. And I wholeheartedly agree that the majority of pilots should be better compensated and better QOL. Wit that in mind and the fact that the majority of pilots operate on the better compensated and QOL contract, then we shouldn't settle for less than what's going to make the majority of pilots pay and QOL better. I don't agree that the majority of pilots should lose pay and or QOL in order to complete the merger because you think we can't do any better. After the TA failed, management said that they are no longer asking for concessions. And just two days ago, they said that the last TA was unrealistic. Now we see that MULTIPLE regionals are offering more money and QOL improvements. The tide is turning in our favor so don't sell us short. Admittedly, I would rather stay separate if the alternatives means concessions.

Also, don't do management's job for them. It's not up to us to tell management to not agree to a contract because we think it's going to cause a bankruptcy. This is another thing we take issue with. It's smells of Stockholm syndrome. Skywest inc pays MILLIONS to F&H to advice them on this. So just stop acting like we need to worry about that already.

Lastly, I honestly don't see disunity in having two separate bidding systems. We already have three separate bidding systems in the erj side and there is no disunity. Also, after integration, pilots will be able to bid to different aircraft regardless. I don't believe that this unity issue is the reason why you are fighting the PBS process agreement.


I'm not talking about separate contracts. I'm talking about neither pilot group having to concede what they currently have while having a process where the erj pilots have the opportunity to try their bidding system while the CRJ side keeps theirs for the duration of the JCBA. Seems simple so what's the problem with that, especially since your MEC had already previously agreed to such an arrangement on bidding systems?

 

Can somebody explain the new contract we got to fly 200's for Delta? I don't understand what Alex means by '3 lines' or '4 lines'. What does that mean as far as aircraft or pilot numbers?

 

doesn't mean crap. It's not a new delta contract, it's just us agreeing to cover some more crj flying next year. Same stuff we have been doing for years. She just put a spin to it for it to sound like yesterdays announcement for the ERJ guys. if it is a new contract then it's a one year contract, still pretty pointless, one airplane growth of flying for one year.

 

Although it is a spin of information, it's still better than the information conveyed by BH. When we got an additional 2k block hours from endeavour, there was little said. No positive attitude, just collect the 400k paycheck and stock incentives and let the company run it's course. It's sad I first found it out from the union when we started bidding. They are not the messengers on flight operations.

 

A line is one aircraft flown for one full day (6-10 legs in an RJ). One aircraft line flown for a full month typically generates 5 pilot lines per month.

 

Thank you.

 

To match the CRJ new hire procedure there will be No more sharing a hotel room for ERJ new hires beginning with the Dec 03rd class in IAH.