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Old 12-03-2014 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Wynncore
Rumor is that XJT didn't even bid on this flying?...unconfirmed water cooler banter...but it's still clear that Delta still does not care who flies for them as long as it is for the lowest and/or near the lowest rate.
The "rumor" I heard was that the rates DAL were offering were below profitability, therefore our company wasn't interested. ZW bid below cost, to get their foot in the door, hoping to negotiate things up later; the same trap G7 and many others have fallen into with DAL. And they quickly realized that wasn't going to happen with the hard deal RA negotiates. Thus them losing interest before money.

Now hopefully, DAL will realize the time has come to spend some of their record profits and mssive fuel savings on securing long term quality feed, not just cost before all else. DAL must realize you have safe, cheap, and quality, but you can't have all three. You must choose two. They need to start paying us what we're worth, or take all the flying in house and roll the dice that the 717s pay off with oil approaching $60/barrel for the long term.
Old 12-03-2014 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
DAL must realize you have safe, cheap, and quality, but you can't have all three. You must choose two.
I mean this is the most honest way but how is it that SkyWest is able to offer a Safe and Quality operation without ever (seemingly) having to bring "cheap" into the equation? Would it have something to do with their geographical coverage and reputation? Every time I look around they've got more flying contracts/airplanes handed down to them.

No doubt I'm happy for them. But meanwhile the East Coast regionals incessantly squabble and fight for contracts/airplanes/(now pilots?) when skywest is out there stuffing their face and doing a damn good job for the passengers and airline partners.

Just an observation. (You may now cannibalize me)
Old 12-03-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler
I mean this is the most honest way but how is it that SkyWest is able to offer a Safe and Quality operation without ever (seemingly) having to bring "cheap" into the equation? Would it have something to do with their geographical coverage and reputation? Every time I look around they've got more flying contracts/airplanes handed down to them.

No doubt I'm happy for them. But meanwhile the East Coast regionals incessantly squabble and fight for contracts/airplanes/(now pilots?) when skywest is out there stuffing their face and doing a damn good job for the passengers and airline partners.

Just an observation. (You may now cannibalize me)
x2. I always wondered the same thing.
Old 12-03-2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler
I mean this is the most honest way but how is it that SkyWest is able to offer a Safe and Quality operation without ever (seemingly) having to bring "cheap" into the equation? Would it have something to do with their geographical coverage and reputation? Every time I look around they've got more flying contracts/airplanes handed down to them.

No doubt I'm happy for them. But meanwhile the East Coast regionals incessantly squabble and fight for contracts/airplanes/(now pilots?) when skywest is out there stuffing their face and doing a damn good job for the passengers and airline partners.

Just an observation. (You may now cannibalize me)

No canibalizing needed... I have friends there and although their SAPA isn't Alpa, and their contract isn't quite what ours is, their lines always seem to be more efficient, their culture seems happier, and they've got business coming out their ears. I wish we could pick up on some of their magic, whatever it may be...
Old 12-03-2014 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
It appears the ZW/DL deal has fallen through. What's the consensus out there? Good for us, bad, or indifferent?
Source?
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Old 12-03-2014 | 01:17 PM
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Source?
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It's confirmed. Air Wisky internal emails posted on various forums.

Unconfirmed: It appears that 9E employees received a memo today stating that the Air Wisky deal did in fact fall through, and at least for now, those airframes will remain with 9E.
Old 12-03-2014 | 02:04 PM
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That is awesome! How the hell do you do that? Please don't reply with "let me google that for you"!
Let me google that for you
Old 12-03-2014 | 02:20 PM
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Thanks. I didn't want to answer him myself. I thought I was going to make the internets explode.

This would've been a safer bet though:
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Old 12-03-2014 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hangrew
No canibalizing needed... I have friends there and although their SAPA isn't Alpa, and their contract isn't quite what ours is, their lines always seem to be more efficient, their culture seems happier, and they've got business coming out their ears. I wish we could pick up on some of their magic, whatever it may be...
SKW got a contract?

When was this?
Old 12-03-2014 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hangrew
No canibalizing needed... I have friends there and although their SAPA isn't Alpa, and their contract isn't quite what ours is, their lines always seem to be more efficient, their culture seems happier, and they've got business coming out their ears. I wish we could pick up on some of their magic, whatever it may be...
The Company Culture is Very different than that of most regionals.
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