What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
11-21-2014 | 03:58 AM
#8121
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The arbitrator is NOT ruling on which PBS system to use, and really not settling anything. The suit by the ASA MEC is to try and stop the XJT MEC from doing an end run around them in negotiations for lesser work rules that will eventually affect all of us.
11-21-2014 | 07:08 AM
#8122
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Actually, it's an arbitrator, not a mediator. And the question he's being asked to rule on is whether the "PBS Process Agreement" which was published in the failed TA is still in force or not. If not, the XJT MEC must negotiate with the ASA MEC to create a new one before they can continue with SmartPref. If he rules it is still in effect, nothing changes.
The arbitrator is NOT ruling on which PBS system to use, and really not settling anything. The suit by the ASA MEC is to try and stop the XJT MEC from doing an end run around them in negotiations for lesser work rules that will eventually affect all of us.
The arbitrator is NOT ruling on which PBS system to use, and really not settling anything. The suit by the ASA MEC is to try and stop the XJT MEC from doing an end run around them in negotiations for lesser work rules that will eventually affect all of us.
AnchorDown
11-21-2014 | 08:57 AM
#8123
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I'm glad that B.S. put out that letter today, he at least realizes what the company is up against, but you're not going to stem the tide of pilots leaving by saying "pretty please." No monetary reason, and promises of maybe upgrading next year ain't gonna cut it.
11-21-2014 | 11:53 AM
#8124
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From: CRJ CA
Hiring will be more than just 6, even if it is only to keep up with attrition.
11-21-2014 | 08:21 PM
#8125
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Brad mentioned upgrades in the first quarter in his update.
11-21-2014 | 08:37 PM
#8126
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Looks scary, UAL has all the loopholes, cards, mitts, bases, uniforms, benches, flagpoles and of course the ballfield. So many varied and numerous ways to cancel the program. The 15 day strike provision is a shot across the bow. It appears that UAL is setting up a pilot freedom process, chain the doors shut, hire some Captains, and let Skywest or others hire some F/Os. Mind you I am not hoping that any of this comes to fruition but this is a disturbing document.
And there it is folks, for the whole world to see. Nevets and his MEC want to implement and negotiate SmartPref outside the JCBA? Why you might ask? Because SmartPref incorporates Globalization. A very crappy system that in a nutshell, a JUNIOR PILOT, by changing his bid, can mess up a Senior pilots bid. This Globalization feature is a huge chip for The Company and a massive cost savings. They want to buy the ASA pilots QOL with their SmartPref system so they can continue to fund their DC plan, OJI bank and a few others. It frees up enough money for them to do so. Got it, thanks Captain Tony!
AnchorDown
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Why are you throwing me into this conversation? That's not even what Captain Tony said. The PBS process agreement had you keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. My question is, what will you grieve next if you lose the current arbitration?
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11-22-2014 | 04:51 AM
#8127
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This is boiler plate language that existed in all of the prior CPAs xjt has had with cal/UAL. This language about termination rights, indemnification, breach, cause, commodity events, labor disputes, etc. is all standard. I know because I've read the CPAs.
Flame bait but I'm bored so I'll bite.
Why are you throwing me into this conversation? That's not even what Captain Tony said. The PBS process agreement had you keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. My question is, what will you grieve next if you lose the current arbitration?
Flame bait but I'm bored so I'll bite.
Why are you throwing me into this conversation? That's not even what Captain Tony said. The PBS process agreement had you keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. My question is, what will you grieve next if you lose the current arbitration?
AnchorDown
11-22-2014 | 05:58 AM
#8128
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Bases
What are the junior bases these days for ERJ and CRJ?
11-22-2014 | 06:07 AM
#8129
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From: A319/320/321 FO
Crj 1) atl 200 2)dfw 200 3) dtw 700/900 4) atl 700/900
11-22-2014 | 08:46 AM
#8130
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Thank you for admitting my MEC is trying to protect me and my pilot group. I don't know, what other QOL features are you and your MEC willing to sell my QOL down the river for your own gain? Question is, what else will you cry foul on when you lose? From what I'm told your neg chairman looked awfully bad on the stand.
AnchorDown
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He looks bad all the time. Not all of us are born with good looks.
Anyway, I never said your MEC was doing anything but. In fact, I've been saying all along that both MEC's are just looking out for the best interests of their pilots. But you guys seem to take that personally when the erj MEC doesn't want to give up our better contract just to appease your MEC. Why should we have to give up our things for you guys? If you had the better contract, I'd be telling my MEC to get us what you guys have and not be part of dragging you guys down to our level!
If we lose, then they negotiate something else. But if you lose, how much do you want to bet that your MEC will grieve something else in order to get out of their previously agreed PBS process agreement?
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