JollyF15

You really think that HR (Lawyers) don't have a bias? They currently have a bias toward anyone who is a "unknown quantity." All the SNAPs on this thread, let's examine the Facts.

1) HR has a bias in favor of those with ZERO PEs. The current ratio for offering an interview is weighted 80% in favor of ZERO PEs, and 20% with PEs.

2) Many (not all) of those without PEs are just above the matrix cut line to throw in the interview pile. We are passing on "rock stars" with maxed out scores from the Matrix in favor of unknowns with scores just above the cut line for interviews.

3) This is not a new occurrence. Since HR (Lawyers) have taken over our hiring, we started punishing pilots with too many recommendations. We actually passed on interviewing a Test Pilot Graduate and Space X pilot who had maxed out the scoring matrix, and happened to have over 10 letters of recommendation. That's not urban legend, it really happened. Don't you think that's just a little crazy?

4) Hiring "known quantities" matters. Our flying here is unique. Having someone who is vouched for by another pilot here matters. It matters because I don't want to be stuck out on a 10 day trips with someone who slam clicks, eats noodles in their room to save money, steals my passport or phone from the layover hotel, talks with a hand puppet, uses a checklist to tell me to shut my pie hole, lies about their past to get hired here, or thinks that preferential bidding might actually be a good thing. Most importantly, I'd like to have a pilot at my right three o'clock who has their act together when shiza hits the fan.

5) In the past, we were able to be able to give "negative" recommendations to the folks mentioned previously and keep them from infecting our pilot group. Let's just say there are some strange agents out there and they could be ID'd early through the recommendation process.

Does that mean we should not hire pilots with ZERO recommendations? No it does not, there are some great pilots out there who don't know a single pilot here. Wouldn't they score well on the Dr Kavorkian matix? That was supposed to fix this and score records based on their resume. How has that worked out for us?

There are also some "Rock Stars" who can't get any PEs due to the fact that many us us have already used our once every 10 year silver bullet. Maybe that's a good thing, it may actually help them!

HoursHore

I agree with what you are saying, but the above examples were all hired under the old who you know, meet and greet system.

FlyingOkra

I don’t agree with the current system, but aren’t most of the descriptions above examples of folks hired under previous processes?

FlyingOkra

You beat me to it HH.

JollyF15

Some of those are previous examples (preferential bidding a current concern -- some folks have been brain washed to think it's a good thing). Don't you think we could hire clowns like that again??

Answer me this:

- What prevents the future puppet lady from entering our ranks without a single person vouching or offering a negative recommendation? We need to step in protect our pilot group from being invaded by these clowns. That's hard to do with a "Keep out, enter with appointment only" sign on our pilot recruitment door. Doesn't it chap you a little knowing that those arrogant HR lawyers really don't want our input?

- What about the current bias in favor of unknowns without any recommendations?

- What about us passing on Rock Stars in favor of pilots just above the cut line?

- How unbiased have our HR (lawyers) really been? Is it just some over reach to prevent an EOC law suit due to paranoia in the PC world we currently live in?

You can say that was then (% of clowns on property) and this is now, but history has a way of repeating itself. You don't think we've hired some slam clicking, melba toast, overly sensitive pilots in the past 3 years? I'd say take off your purple sun glasses if you believe that.

gatorhater

I’m just a lowly CRJ civilian puke, but I know 3 o’clock is always on my right. I also know you seem like a real peach and I hope I don’t find you sitting at my 9 o’clock (or left 3 o’clock if you prefer) anytime soon.

Busboy

Rock Stars?

The only rock star I’d want to fly with would be Katy Perry or maybe Hayley Williams.

Sluggo_63

I'd say maybe you should look in a mirror. If your "personality" is half as charming sitting at someone's nine o'clock as it is here on the internet, I can see why you fly with more than your fair share of "slam-clickers."

FXLAX

How would you score someone’s application? How much for types of flight time? How much for military versus civilian versus both? How much for space shuttle commanders? How much for bachelors and masters degree? How much for regency of experience? How much for type of aircraft flown? How much for flying and non-flying leadership positions? How much for having a PE or two from your rock stars? How much less for negative things like traffic violations, DUIs, PEs from these “clowns” you call some of your colleagues?

Tbpilot06

I’m sure he knows since he also knows that everyone without a PE is just above the line for being qualified to fly at Fed Ex becuase it’s such a different type of flying.