Why I chose FedEX
02-28-2018, 04:00 PM
#171
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Originally Posted by 5millionaire
Myself included, everyone I personally know (from past and current AF squadrons) was at the big 3 or SWA before being offered an interview, except just a few guys. I would estimate 3/15 were offered interviews without being hired by another carrier first.
3/15 = 20%
4,700/50,000 = 9.4%
02-28-2018, 08:48 PM
#172
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Joined APC: Feb 2005
Posts: 489
Originally Posted by Otters
You are spot on. I’m a UAL pilot. Was having this conversation with our system chief pilot several months ago.I’m former military so here’s my small story on this.
System chief pilot tells prospective military people to get through training and consolidate after 100 hours then go ahead and do military work. After saying this the Chief pilot had a pilot come in and after one week of indoc, drop military orders to take a long break. I’m here to tell you, it’s an honor to have each and every member serve our country.
But I’ll call a spade a spade. When you game the system and take several years off then return, I can’t blame any hiring department looking out for their own best interests. The idea of getting an offer means you have availability for employment. That’s not unreasonable to expect. Now does any airline guarantee a long prosperous career? Nope!!!!! One dog one bone. But the company is going to turn around and take that bone and look out for their own interests.
Best of luck
System chief pilot tells prospective military people to get through training and consolidate after 100 hours then go ahead and do military work. After saying this the Chief pilot had a pilot come in and after one week of indoc, drop military orders to take a long break. I’m here to tell you, it’s an honor to have each and every member serve our country.
But I’ll call a spade a spade. When you game the system and take several years off then return, I can’t blame any hiring department looking out for their own best interests. The idea of getting an offer means you have availability for employment. That’s not unreasonable to expect. Now does any airline guarantee a long prosperous career? Nope!!!!! One dog one bone. But the company is going to turn around and take that bone and look out for their own interests.
Best of luck
Being at UAL, I assume you know the company was threatened with a lawsuit concerning the exact hiring practice being discussed, not interviewing/hiring mil pilots with 10-14 yrs AD.
The real irony for FedEx folks was back in our 4.A.2.B. days, the company asked guys to go on MLOA to help with staffing 'issues' associated with Age 65 and retirement of the 727.
02-28-2018, 09:46 PM
#173
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Leftof longitudinal
Posts: 1,899
Originally Posted by Otters
“””””””””The company does not want to hire an individual, have them go on MLOA for 2 years, and come back with an award to the left seat of one of their airplanes with no system experience.
Had approx 10 of 12 interviewees hired from my previous squadron, all non retirees. Over the past 10 years, only 4 offers, just to interview, from the same 'widget factory' and all 4 were retirees. Not one person who separated was even offered an interview. “””””””””””””
You are spot on. I’m a UAL pilot. Was having this conversation with our system chief pilot several months ago.I’m former military so here’s my small story on this.
System chief pilot tells prospective military people to get through training and consolidate after 100 hours then go ahead and do military work. After saying this the Chief pilot had a pilot come in and after one week of indoc, drop military orders to take a long break. I’m here to tell you, it’s an honor to have each and every member serve our country.
But I’ll call a spade a spade. When you game the system and take several years off then return, I can’t blame any hiring department looking out for their own best interests. The idea of getting an offer means you have availability for employment. That’s not unreasonable to expect. Now does any airline guarantee a long prosperous career? Nope!!!!! One dog one bone. But the company is going to turn around and take that bone and look out for their own interests.
Best of luck
Had approx 10 of 12 interviewees hired from my previous squadron, all non retirees. Over the past 10 years, only 4 offers, just to interview, from the same 'widget factory' and all 4 were retirees. Not one person who separated was even offered an interview. “””””””””””””
You are spot on. I’m a UAL pilot. Was having this conversation with our system chief pilot several months ago.I’m former military so here’s my small story on this.
System chief pilot tells prospective military people to get through training and consolidate after 100 hours then go ahead and do military work. After saying this the Chief pilot had a pilot come in and after one week of indoc, drop military orders to take a long break. I’m here to tell you, it’s an honor to have each and every member serve our country.
But I’ll call a spade a spade. When you game the system and take several years off then return, I can’t blame any hiring department looking out for their own best interests. The idea of getting an offer means you have availability for employment. That’s not unreasonable to expect. Now does any airline guarantee a long prosperous career? Nope!!!!! One dog one bone. But the company is going to turn around and take that bone and look out for their own interests.
Best of luck
Am certain this is an outlier. Did the CP share the details? How long? Occasionally a person gets hired, affiliated with a unit and the occasionally true invol occurs.
Not convenient for anyone, but a necessity of military reality.
We have had a few folks work with over the years where this has happened.
USERRA allows the CP to call the unit to get details. Most units understand the airline pilot training and consolidation requirements and give up the member for the 3-4 months to complete airline training.
However, said service member has 3-4 months of drills and military re qualification or qualification/currency issues as well. Military budgets are critical as much as it is for an airline. Takes some time and tough budget management to complete these quals/requals and others label them as gamers. They are not gaming. It is a reality of being a dual employee.
One case we had was a new pilot who notified taking military duty over Thanksgiving, Christmas and the into the New Year. He lived in same town as mil unit. CP claimed he was gaming the system and abusing the military capability to stay home over the holidays. Truth was he was being deployed to a FOB in the war zone.
Of course a few outliers justify the discrimination and bad opinion by the rest of us on the honorable 99%.
Maybe this person was the exception, Without specifics, my experience has shown the vast majority serve with integrity.
No one seems to complain or claim gaming when a Captain drops 10-15K of UAL/DAL/AA/WN/FedEX/UPS money to serve and make only 3-4K DOD money.
Just my experience advocating for service members.
SD
02-28-2018, 11:57 PM
#174
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: MD-11
Posts: 395
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Posts like these why HR types have taken over pilot hiring. If it was up to you, only your own pilot buddies would get in and lead to cronyism. You probably want merit based upgrades too?
03-01-2018, 03:39 AM
#175
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Posts: 174
[QUOTE=SaltyDog;2540034]Otter,
Am certain this is an outlier. Did the CP share the details? How long? Occasionally a person gets hired, affiliated with a unit and the occasionally true invol occurs.
Not convenient for anyone, but a necessity of military reality.
One story does not indicate hiring trends. As with many stories, mine being one specific example, are part of a larger picture. As one poster said in reply to mine, UAL was sued for its practices with hiring military members. Thus there is a problem and or perception issue.
We both know the reality that most if not all members serve honorably.
This was a one on one story shared between myself and system chief pilot. And there were more we were talking about. It does not take many(in fact only a few)of these examples to sway hiring or potentially alter it.
I’m not here to condemn any military member to include myself. These are simple observations. It’s like the approved working agreements we in the Union work under. Everyone including our military members exploit every avenue they can to improve their pay or their quality of life just as the company uses every means to exploit us.
And the simple truth is this goes on beyond the scope of the contract as in this short discussion. We can talk morality of do’s and dont’s. If it’s legal they’re able to exploit it. Plain and simple.
Am certain this is an outlier. Did the CP share the details? How long? Occasionally a person gets hired, affiliated with a unit and the occasionally true invol occurs.
Not convenient for anyone, but a necessity of military reality.
One story does not indicate hiring trends. As with many stories, mine being one specific example, are part of a larger picture. As one poster said in reply to mine, UAL was sued for its practices with hiring military members. Thus there is a problem and or perception issue.
We both know the reality that most if not all members serve honorably.
This was a one on one story shared between myself and system chief pilot. And there were more we were talking about. It does not take many(in fact only a few)of these examples to sway hiring or potentially alter it.
I’m not here to condemn any military member to include myself. These are simple observations. It’s like the approved working agreements we in the Union work under. Everyone including our military members exploit every avenue they can to improve their pay or their quality of life just as the company uses every means to exploit us.
And the simple truth is this goes on beyond the scope of the contract as in this short discussion. We can talk morality of do’s and dont’s. If it’s legal they’re able to exploit it. Plain and simple.
03-01-2018, 08:42 AM
#176
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 121
Concerning military reservists...
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
03-01-2018, 09:14 AM
#177
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Position: MD-11/C-17
Posts: 258
Originally Posted by 5millionaire
Concerning military reservists...
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
03-01-2018, 06:32 PM
#178
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: FedEx
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by 5millionaire
Concerning military reservists...
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
With the new pay rates, a second year widebody FO makes about 2x/day than an O4 on orders.
The days of dropping mil for fiscal reasons are over. Sure, guys can use it for lifestyle reasons, but at least in my situation, I’d rather work more at FDX and do the minimum needed to stay current and mission ready at my reserve job.
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03-02-2018, 03:56 AM
#179
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Week from Friday (the 9th), I'll be staying in the Hôtel Paris Bastille Boutet - MGallery by Sofitel, but any place reachable by subway and walking shoes can work.
My number is in VIPS. Reasonable limit on wine.
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My number is in VIPS. Reasonable limit on wine.
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03-02-2018, 04:03 AM
#180
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Otter,
Am certain this is an outlier. Did the CP share the details? How long? Occasionally a person gets hired, affiliated with a unit and the occasionally true invol occurs.
Not convenient for anyone, but a necessity of military reality.
Am certain this is an outlier. Did the CP share the details? How long? Occasionally a person gets hired, affiliated with a unit and the occasionally true invol occurs.
Not convenient for anyone, but a necessity of military reality.
It happened to me when I went to my first airline. I had come from Active Duty in a training command assignment, to a Guard unit that flew heavies. I had to go to training at some point to fly for my ANG unit. They scheduled my Altus date sometime after my indoc and IOE, but still pretty soon after my getting on with the airline.
This type of scenario would apply to anyone like me who was changing airplanes... T-6 to C-5, C-5 to C-130, etc... I would say a good number of guys separating found units that flew something other than what they were doing on AD. That would force a semi-long term (months) mil leave soon after getting on with an airline.
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