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03-29-2019, 06:43 AM

#101

Sluggo_63

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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

I say get rid of the makeup banks. If you drop a trip, you drop a trip. If you are removed from a trip -- whatever the reason -- you get paid.

Agreed. I like it.

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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

Any trips in Open Time get processed every three hours automatically by the computer (no human). And the trips are awarded by seniority -- the way it should be. None of this "earlier time stamp" crap.

Disagree. Trips should be awarded instantly. Seniority counts when you bid. BLAs should be first come/first served. As soon as you hit submit, it should be on your schedule (unless it's illegal).

03-29-2019, 08:40 AM

#102

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

I say get rid of the makeup banks. If you drop a trip, you drop a trip. If you are removed from a trip -- whatever the reason -- you get paid.

Any trips in Open Time get processed every three hours automatically by the computer (no human). And the trips are awarded by seniority -- the way it should be. None of this "earlier time stamp" crap.

When you were junior, wasn’t it great to be able to trip trade and improve your schedule in time stamp order. Senior guys got to exercise their seniority rights while bidding but YOU had a chance to fix that junior schedule if you were willing to spend the time checking OT. I’m sure folks that are junior would like to have the same ability to improve their schedules.

No thanks. Changing to seniority based trip trading would be very divisive.

03-29-2019, 09:07 AM

#103

max8222

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Junior in each seat is beat down enough. Between reserves, new crappy VTO system ect. Senior in the seat especially 777 have tons of carry over, conflict bidding, carry in makeup.

Way to much leaning to the senior. Only way to make being junior livable is with trip trading.

I know you only have to be junior once. But some one has to be junior.

03-29-2019, 11:13 AM

#104

Check6Viper

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The time stamp method just exasperates "wolf packs" with inside info. Open time should be like baseball's waiver wire, where the last person to pick up a trip has the highest priority.

You shouldn't have to be on your phone 24/7 and submit makeup requests within 30 seconds of a trip dropping to improve your schedule.

03-29-2019, 08:31 PM

#105

Tuck

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Originally Posted by Nightflyer

Every time the union asks for my opinion on negotiation priorities, I say "full per diem". Before, when we could get a tax deduction for per diem not paid, I was claiming over 10,000 a year, and that was at least 6 years ago. If we got full per diem, that extra $10k, probably more now, would be money in out pockets, tax free!

So, why do we only get a nickel or dime? Because the union does not get 2% of our per diem. Simple as that.

So, when you get polled, demand full per diem, since it is tax free, the gain will be quite significant, and the company can write it off anyway.

"My" union is supposed to "speak for me", but they need to LISTEN to what I want and then follow through and they don't.

Only so much money in the pie - we have to decide how to split it up. Per diem is not the best way - you leave out the money for those on reserve at home or those doing out and backs and hugely benefit the international guys - even though we know just about nobody spends even the $75/day they are getting now for per diem OCONUS. No I'd be all for tying per diem to automatic increases but not a fan of splitting pay that way.

03-29-2019, 08:33 PM

#106

Tuck

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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63

Agreed. I like it.

Disagree. Trips should be awarded instantly. Seniority counts when you bid. BLAs should be first come/first served. As soon as you hit submit, it should be on your schedule (unless it's illegal).

Then you get rid of the value of PNP and PMU. Now we should fix PNP and stop the abuses by many in the crew force but instant BLA adjudication is not the answer.

03-29-2019, 08:33 PM

#107

Tuck

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Originally Posted by BLOB

Completely agree - not by seniority - time stamps. That will not change - guarantee it.

03-29-2019, 08:34 PM

#108

Tuck

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Originally Posted by MaydayMark

JetBlue is talking about service to London. If they flew into STN you could connect to Ryanair and have all economy service across the pond!*?

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/0...tblues-future/

You think JB would pick up a very profitable route like JFK-LHR and not put their mint lie flats?

03-29-2019, 08:35 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by MaydayMark

JetBlue is talking about service to London. If they flew into STN you could connect to Ryanair and have all economy service across the pond!*?

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/0...tblues-future/

Let's not forget it wasn't too long ago when the STANDARD intl long haul was on a lousy jet with shell angled lie flat - all the time. Before that it was on the NWA 747s which never had lie flat...or first class. Oh and everybody loved it - not sure why but they did.

03-29-2019, 08:37 PM

#110

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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

Uh no, that would just ridiculously encourage guys to pick everything up. Some of these guys are already flying full calendars with the makeup they manage to get every month. Keep the banks - probably need to have a way to merge banks if requested - especially PNP and GMU.