CBA 2015 Lessons learned
#121
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
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Respectfully disagree. Paragraph 1 is good and matches other airline standards. If you are removed from a trip, no matter why, you get paid and stay or go home.
GET RID OF THE LOTTERY / EARLIER TIMESTAMP CRAP.
We are NOT equal and people cheat. Have pilots enter requests for OT trip pickups and the scheduling computer four times a day computes by seniority and gives the senior person the trip — not the person hawking OT, or the person with the fastest internet or a computer bot. Should you pick up a trip, you CAN NOT give it away (ends wolf pack crap) unless you have a good cause and the DO approves. The trip goes back to OT for the next crunching of OT. This is a fairer system since it goes by seniority and everyone is senior at some point.
GET RID OF THE LOTTERY / EARLIER TIMESTAMP CRAP.
We are NOT equal and people cheat. Have pilots enter requests for OT trip pickups and the scheduling computer four times a day computes by seniority and gives the senior person the trip — not the person hawking OT, or the person with the fastest internet or a computer bot. Should you pick up a trip, you CAN NOT give it away (ends wolf pack crap) unless you have a good cause and the DO approves. The trip goes back to OT for the next crunching of OT. This is a fairer system since it goes by seniority and everyone is senior at some point.
If you're senior, just bid the trips you want. And then make friends, get a group going who help each other out, get on the Facebook swapping pages. But to try to control everyone else's life....no. You would be in a very small, senior, self focused minority.
#122
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GET RID OF THE LOTTERY / EARLIER TIMESTAMP CRAP.
We are NOT equal and people cheat. Have pilots enter requests for OT trip pickups and the scheduling computer four times a day computes by seniority and gives the senior person the trip — not the person hawking OT, or the person with the fastest internet or a computer bot. Should you pick up a trip, you CAN NOT give it away (ends wolf pack crap) unless you have a good cause and the DO approves. The trip goes back to OT for the next crunching of OT. This is a fairer system since it goes by seniority and everyone is senior at some point.
There wouldn’t be that much EARLIER TIME STAMP if there was instant trip trading. You would only possibly get ONE of those messages at the beginning of the open time window.
As for making it seniority based, I respectfully disagree. But that’s because we are of different philosophies. Im all for seniority when it comes to bidding your line. But I would like instant trip trading because it allows the majority, that are not senior, a chance at being able to improve their QOL. It wouldn’t give junior people an advantage because anyone could partake. But it would at least give them a chance at QOL they currently can’t obtain due to their juniority.
And there is precedent for this in our contract. Our vacation bidding is not strictly seniority based. The way we do vacation bidding, it gives the junior people a chance at getting a vacation week during a time of the year that they probably wouldn’t otherwise be able to if it was done strictly by seniority.
The other end of the philosophical spectrum is to do EVERYTHING strictly by seniority. I hope we never go to that sort of system. Only the top senior people would enjoy QOL.
#124
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 210
Yep, I disagree. And I didn’t say punished for those hawking OT. I’d rather have a system which goes by seniority instead of who is the fastest. OR who knows the charters are coming. (It’s a scam and you know it). People are cheating. If you are senior and you want to work extra or you need to make up vacation .. whatever .. you get priority because you are senior.
No thanks. Not everybody will be senior.
#126
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Position: MD11 FO
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Well sure but how would you do that? The entire idea behind is to give the wronged person an advantage over the others. If say, he had 72CH of OTP but was never able to use it because others always got their BLAs adjudicated immediately, those hours would be worthless right? I'd like to see some sort of reasonable time to adjudicate - maybe max of 2 hours or something during certain parts of day.
#127
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#128
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Now guys totally abuse the system now with their conflicts and PNP. That's the part that needs to be fixed. Stop the abusers and then allow PNP to be merged if desired (10CH of PNP for a 777 guy isn't too useful for example)
#129
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I certainly don’t fly them but EWR-LAX-OAK or LAX-EWR-ORD keep popping up in the 76 bid pack. A lot of DEN-IND-ONT next day ONT-IND-DEN.
#130
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Well sure but how would you do that? The entire idea behind is to give the wronged person an advantage over the others. If say, he had 72CH of OTP but was never able to use it because others always got their BLAs adjudicated immediately, those hours would be worthless right? I'd like to see some sort of reasonable time to adjudicate - maybe max of 2 hours or something during certain parts of day.
I don’t know yet. But you are still thinking along the lines of the whole bank paradigm. I’m referring to a solution that allows us to do away with banks, so that we can have instant trip trading, and yet allow those “wronged” to be made whole.
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