Or how about replace the value of PNP and PMU in some other way AND allow instant trip trades.

 

Get rid of all the assorted makeup priority codes. If you get bumped off a trip for whatever reason. You get paid for that trip. If you want to make up a trip or fix your trip; then real-time trip trading.

If you see it, then you can have it. We waste a ton of time, hoping we get a trip. Either you get it instantly, or it was already gone when you hit submit. But you know that as soon as you hit the trip pickup.

Seniority should only affect monthly and system bidding. Not fixing your schedule after the fact. You don't like what you are getting in the monthly bid, then get more senior. Otherwise, play the open time lottery where everyone is equal.

 

I want our 8n24 rule back.

 

Sign me up.. Cut and paste this for next CBA openers!

 

So how do you get PNP? I don’t see any explanation in the contract

 

Bid a line with carryover

Bid VTO line for the next month containing the c/o trip and “use min days off” for construction of VTO line

You will get secondary line guarantee and extra c/o hours will be placed in your makeup bank as PNP

 

Respectfully disagree. Paragraph 1 is good and matches other airline standards. If you are removed from a trip, no matter why, you get paid and stay or go home.

GET RID OF THE LOTTERY / EARLIER TIMESTAMP CRAP.

We are NOT equal and people cheat. Have pilots enter requests for OT trip pickups and the scheduling computer four times a day computes by seniority and gives the senior person the trip — not the person hawking OT, or the person with the fastest internet or a computer bot. Should you pick up a trip, you CAN NOT give it away (ends wolf pack crap) unless you have a good cause and the DO approves. The trip goes back to OT for the next crunching of OT. This is a fairer system since it goes by seniority and everyone is senior at some point.

 

If you're senior and want that trip, bid the line with that trip in it. Easy.

So, now hawking open time is bad? So if someone wants to spend a few hours constantly refreshing ViPS to see if anything pops up, they're punished? Please. Fastest internet is now a reason to award senior guys trips over junior guys more on the ball? Do you know what, you're senior... open your wallet and buy faster internet.

Once I pick up a trip, I can't trade it? Great, now we have guys actively pushing for less schedule flexibility. SMH. Do us all a favor and please don't volunteer for the Negotiating Committee.

 

Yep, I disagree. And I didn’t say punished for those hawking OT. I’d rather have a system which goes by seniority instead of who is the fastest. OR who knows the charters are coming. (It’s a scam and you know it). People are cheating. If you are senior and you want to work extra or you need to make up vacation .. whatever .. you get priority because you are senior.

 

I think you will find yourself in the vast minority with this view. The only people who will hold this view are those that are senior in a seat but don't want to put in the time to hawk open time. They see good trips go to junior guys who do spend all day on their phones, and they want a piece of the pie but not give the effort. As a top 10% person, I understand the issue. But I recognize that since I don't want to hawk open time, why should I expect to get the sweet trips.

The wolf pack guys are a whole other issue. That does not have anything to do with the regular guys trading with open time.

Waiting to see if you have a schedule change is just mind-numbingly stupid. Many times when I was junior on open time release nights, I've had near 100 different inputs in waiting to process. As trips drop in but swaps don't process for 10 hours or longer, you now have to put in trip swap requests for every new trip. Waiting hours to process just mucks up the system. Right now we are pretty fat on pilots, if you can remember back to times when we were low on pilots, there were well over 100 trips in open time. Real-time processing solves the gnashing of teeth waiting to process.