Anthrax

Congrats all on making the simple complex. Ya’ll oughtta work on our next contract.

kronan

OMG-
pinseeker. Adler has, repeatedly, quoted the NEW verbiage regarding Final Deviation Check-in options under CBA2015.

I don't need to "get permission" to buy a Deviation ticket that has a Pairing's leg on it to accomplish this Final Check in.
There is no "forgiveness" to request.

Once I've accomplished my final check-in, whether it's as part of a multi-leg DH to get to my trip, or your hypothetical I changed my mind MEM-ATL DH...any Flight Cancellations, reroutes, etc...are on the company and up to the company to decide how they want to fix.

It's up to US to know and Defend the CBA. I have no doubt CRS will make blanket assumptions as to their responsibilities and think every Deviant Travel is solely on their own. But that Onus has Changed once you make the Final Check-in.
IF you never make it to your connecting flight, then you won't have made the Final Check-in and everything is still on you.

TOTALLY different situations.

kronan

To paraphrase.
Everything in "Contracts" is simple, but the simplest thing is difficult.

Now on to NOCAT discussions.

I once pointed out to a Capt we were on a NOCAT pairing and reminded him to expense it. His response was that he hadn't actually spent any $$. My response was that it didn't matter and it was a compensation for the situation versus an actual meal. And that even if he had simply spent 15$ he would still be entitled to the full 25.

His response was that people get fired for doing that.

Couple of months later, printed out my expense report with the $25 NOCAT claim and pointed out that I still seemed to be gainfully employed.


(Please GOD, no SUB discussions)

pinseeker

OMG Kronan,

I have quoted the language that says once you deviate on a scheduled leg, you are now on your own. The language doesn't say anything about changing your mind. I even pointed out that the language about being on your own has an exception paragraph listed, and it isn't the one you are referring to.

This isn't surprising from you though. You repeatedly defend your yes vote for this contract and state how good it is. You are also a big proponent of the VB plan. So I'll take your $.02 and depreciate it for how much I value it.

Looking forward to your "YES" vote on contract 202?.

Edit:

OBTW, sorry you took my permission over forgiveness comment so literally. I figured everyone knew that CE doesn't give permission, only interpretations of contract language. I don't even need their permission to file a grievance.

BlackKnight

Denied seat selection fee on company bought personal ticket.

Any one else thirsty for a new topic?

Had travel bank in Dec 2018. Finished a revenue trip EWR-MEM midnight Christmas Eve. Used travel bank to buy a ticket home Christmas morning. Bought upgrade to economy plus.

Initially denied seat selection reimbursement with reason “seat selection fees only allowed on commercial deadheads”.

Filed insite. Magically reimbursed.

This denial happened with many. Watch it doesn’t happen to you.

Adlerdriver

Good to be on the lookout for.
If someone said “company bought personal ticket” to me, I would think they were talking about a ticket for total personal use that they purchased through the company for travel outside of 3-days from a trip (which I don’t think is allowed).
The ticket you purchased in Dec to get home from MEM is still considered a deviation ticket and is no different than any other deviation ticket.

No idea what a “commercial deadhead” is unless they’re trying to imply “scheduled commercial deadhead”. Because our deviation flights are still considered a deadhead and they’re “commercial” too.

Regardless, there is no such restriction on seat selection fees. In fact, the only reference to seat selection fees in the entire contract is in section 8, Deviation Options and Qualifying Expenses. If it’s listed under allowable deviation expenses, then it’s certainly not restricted as they attempted to do.

BlackKnight

I was trying to find a title that everyone could cue on/understand.

Yes, it was a personal ticket home, using the 3 day rule.

The rest, you’re preaching to the choir. The “seat selection fees are only allowed on company deadheads” is still in red on my expense report, but haven’t got an explanation as to what the f that means.

I read it as they’re saying they’re only allowed on a company scheduled deadhead too, but I argued via insite if that’s their interpretation, nowhere in the CBA is that defined or justified.

Instead, in fact, my purchase of a flight home IS specifically allowed (as we all know), and the $40/$80 rule is IN THE SAME SECTION.

Ridiculous.

True irony? I should’ve asked for the whole fee ($53.84), as technically it was a backend positioning sequence, and the seat selection fee allowance is one of FEW that has the GREATER of the amount reimbursable.

Gungala gungala gungala...

Adlerdriver

Why didn't you? Create precedent and give them wiggle room and it becomes more difficult to enforce, IMO.

BlackKnight

I did (point out it’s the greater of the two, and asked for $53.84) via my insite.

In their response, they stated in all CAPS: YOU WERE AUTHORIZED THE SEAT SELECTION FEE OF $40.

Since that’s what I initially asked for (the $40-my mistake), I let it go this time. Next time, I’ll be asking for the full amount.

I shared the screw up on this expense. It won’t happen again.

Fdxlag2

What is a personal ticket home using the 3 day rule? Were you deviating if so it was a company DH. Done it several times. We can win this fight. Next you going to tell that if my 73 crashes the insurance don’t pay because I was deviating?