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Old 12-13-2018 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin
Or....simple section 6 negotiations, 3% pay raise each year, increase A plan cap 50k, next contract, 3% pay raise, increase A plan cap 50k, etc, etc...it can be done.
Sure, sounds simple.

And the company will get what in return?
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Old 12-13-2018 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
Sure, sounds simple.

And the company will get what in return?
Our continued loyalty and goodwill, which, unfortunately, they don't value.

They have gotten plenty out of us in the last 3 contracts. It is about time we started being treated as valued employees.

Remember the tax break? Bonuses for management, increased pay for hourly workers, except pilots. Nothing for pilots.

The Exec that said they would recoup the money from the last contract in 6 months due to work efficiency was correct.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever

Sure, sounds simple.

And the company will get what in return?

Pilots putting down picket signs and returning to work.






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Old 12-13-2018 | 01:30 PM
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Fall 2015, TA was being debated, Co was short staffed on pilots. If ever we were to draw/checkmate, it was then. Deficiencies in Sec 28 were obvious. TA passed anyway. MEC is not the only one to blame. Membership approved it.

3 yrs removed, Co is not in that situation and we have less leverage than we did in ‘15. What is the catalyst that will bring A Fund (or any Sec 28) improvements ?

There’s much talk of pancakes maybe being up, maybe down. Add A Fund being down every yr w/o fail to the list with death and taxes.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Redeyz
MEC is not the only one to blame. Membership approved it.
Just for clarification - The 57% ‘Yes’ voters are to blame along with the MEC for the sales job.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunny1
Just for clarification - The 57% ‘Yes’ voters are to blame along with the MEC for the sales job.
I blame the 87% yes voters in 2012 when we had real leverage.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 03:33 PM
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So, basically, the only way for us to put pressure on the company is for them to screw up their staffing again...hmmm...great strategy. How about we draw a line in the sand? How about we go to whatever lengths possible and legal to negotiate what we think is fair? I think we can, I think we can become a unified group, and yes, it can be as simple as 3 and 50, (3% and 50k)every contract...that's basically cost of living, cost of doing business, no give backs. In other words, fair.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Redeyz
Fall 2015, TA was being debated, Co was short staffed on pilots. If ever we were to draw/checkmate, it was then. Deficiencies in Sec 28 were obvious. TA passed anyway. MEC is not the only one to blame. Membership approved it.



3 yrs removed, Co is not in that situation and we have less leverage than we did in ‘15. What is the catalyst that will bring A Fund (or any Sec 28) improvements ?



There’s much talk of pancakes maybe being up, maybe down. Add A Fund being down every yr w/o fail to the list with death and taxes.

The catalyst will be a pilot shortage. It’ll hit cargo airlines before passenger airlines.
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Old 12-13-2018 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
The catalyst will be a pilot shortage. It’ll hit cargo airlines before passenger airlines.
Not an employee of either currently but hoping to join your ranks soon... just curious to know why this may be the case?
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Old 12-14-2018 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LJ Driver
Not an employee of either currently but hoping to join your ranks soon... just curious to know why this may be the case?
At job fairs, the wait in line to see DL, UA and AA is six hours long. The line to see UPS and Fedex is 15 minutes.

Most people haven’t realized the best job in aviation could be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog $hit out of Hong Kong.
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