FXLAX

Yeah, shake your head until you have a headache. But nothing prevents from mid contract improvements. Something ALL other airlines regularly do. In any case, the MEC has stated that if they cannot come to an agreement to our current negotiations, they will open it up. So it’s never too early to talk about what needs to be improved, squeaky wheel and all. So I’ll always talk about what can or should be improved. Feel free to ignore if you want.

I never mentioned perfect. There is no such thing in any human endeavor. But if you feel that nothing else other than pay and retirement can or should be improved and therefore we should just settle for negotiating only those two items, then we simply disagree. Not a big deal. But rolling over on everything else will never lead to improvements we deserve.

pinseeker

Where did the MEC say they would definitely open up other sections if we can't come to an agreement during our current negotiations. How would that play to the NMB? Hmm, you agreed to everything except money, now you want our help but are going to open up all other sections. The only thing that aches on me is my stomach from laughing at your posts. And I wouldn't hold your breath on getting mid contract improvements. How did that work out with improving our retirement mid contract?

FXLAX

Your tummy aches? It was on one of those PUB calls, I believe. It was part of the protocol agreement so the NMB shouldn’t have any problems with both parties agreeing to that before negotiations began. Ad for mid-contract improvements, they are are for when management wants something. If that ever happens, it’s an opportunity. Just pointing out with that that even if there is an amendable date, nothing prevents willing parties from changing language here and there midstream. Not that it’s guaranteed.

pinseeker

You are hilarious! So, you have nothing except "you believe" they mentioned it on a PUB call. Haven't we already exceeded the time frame for the protocol agreement? So, after 16 months of limited negotiations where we are only down to the money, you think opening all sections will get things done? You really need to take this act on the road. It would be really funny if it weren't so sad that you actually believe your delusions.

So, during the beginning and height of COVID, the company wanted items from us, and we only came up with an MOU that either side could opt out of at any time. So if we couldn't get real changes to the contract during that period, what makes you think that we could get changes between contracts later? Wouldn't that have been the perfect opportunity to permanently fix some major issues in our contract?

FXLAX

Yeah, I believe it was a PUB when it was mentioned. And I believe it came as an answer given by the NC chair. If you don’t believe me, that’s fine. Won’t give me any tummy aches. But if you want, you can ask him or your rep. Bottom line, the NMB won’t see it as anything other than a pre-agreed protocol that is standard for all section 6 negotiations.

As for mid-contract agreements, like I said, nothing precludes them from happening. It’s just about using anything management wants now as leverage. Whether that’s some change in contract language they want or as part of a grievance settlement. Nothing new so I’m not sure why you feel like they never happen.

I feel that filing of vacancies as a section that can be improved either mid-contract, next contract, or as part of a larger negation entered under the protocol agreement. Is your beef with what I’m saying simply one of timing of this possible contract improvement? Because that’s what it reads like to me. If it is, then we can just agree that you have a beef with that and I’m ok with it.

pinseeker

So, in other words, you've got nothing.

BLOB

Does anybody else love coming here and reading all the well thought out uplifting posts written by men of good nature and humility? I know it puts a spring in my step and a desire to go fly with all the regular posters here. Bravo compatriots…bravo. Thanks for keeping it classy.

Noworkallplay

Opinionated pilots who think they have all the answers. Entertainment factor is always high.

It appears many have forgotten we are part of a GROUP and rise and fall as a GROUP. We are not subcontractors, although many act like it. It isn’t about what each individual wants, but what the GROUP will fight for. Embarrassing and disappointing to see our leverage squandered by selfishness.

BLOB

Case in point ☝🏿

Good day compatriots

FXLAX

Say what you want. The information was put out there. I can’t help it that you missed it. But there are still ways of finding out other than from APC.