Noworkallplay

DL has long large bids like FDX. Most airlines have fast upgrades currently. Our mega bid system allows larger movements to higher paying seats quicker. I could care less if we kept our current system or not. Simply saying no system is without it’s warts. Is it really something we want changed over the numerous other things? It has worked for me changing numerous airplanes and bases.

threeighteen

Dude you need to stop with the blatantly wrong info. DL does not have long large bids like FDX. They’ve had multiple bids since our last bid. They also get passover pay. Our mega bid system does not allow people to get to high paid seats quicker because we gave up passover pay.

FXLAX

Yeah, it’s definitely something to look at changing among a lot of other things. This current negotiations we asked to change a couple dozen specific items. So I don’t see why this couldn’t be at least one of another couple dozen items to improve for next round.

Corned Beef

Hey man, as I stated previously, DL has moved from large bids to smaller, more frequent bids. And guess what, they still have jr NB/WB upgrades. Call one one of your buddies from DL and ask.

They upgrades will still happen at the same rate no matter what since demand will not change.

Noworkallplay

DL’s system is like ours from the discussion I have had with buddies at DL. The company decides the duration of the bid. If they have decided to do a shorter bid period it was the companies decision. Not a contractual requirement.

Our last bid happened a year after the prior one. Even though originally it was stated it would be a 18-20 month bid.

As I stated i’m all for changes but not at the expense of higher priorities such as pay, retirement, deviation bank fixes, scope improvements, revision improvements, etc. I looked again in the openers document on the contract page and don’t see this in the openers. Im guessing in the surveys many didn’t have this as a priority either since it is not in the openers.

BlueMoon

They could just make the monthly training bid, The system bid. No real need for a bid within a bid like we do now.

Jamo

Once again you’re wrong. What’s the definition of insanity? Dude, just stop. I truly try to see the angle from everyone’s point of view before judgement (even yours) but I can’t anymore. You wear on the soul with your stupidity. We are all dumber after reading your posts and may god have mercy on your soul.

USMCFDX

Stop quoting the troll so we do not have to read his crap. He is a troll that claims to be here around the 5 year mark and a Captain yet he has used our bid system for numerous airplanes and bases.

Noworkallplay

Read it for yourself. Section 22. The company chooses the duration and rapidity of the bids at DL just like FDX.

https://www.airlinepilothiring.net/T.../2016Delta.pdf

170driver

I just came from Delta. It is a completely different system. They put out 3-4 bids a year and they have defined conversion windows, the longest being 365 days (they can only use this if they are displacing, so most commonly it is a 210 day conversion). If you don’t go to training by the end of the conversion window you get paid the rate you were awarded in the bid, if someone junior to you goes to training before you and activates in that position you are pay protected from that point on. Delta pilots have no control of WHEN they go to training within the conversion window, they put out a projected training date and that’s all you have to plan with. I see benefits of both systems, however I think I like the smaller and shorter activation times from the delta bids at this point after seeing the way fedex bids are done.