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Old 05-11-2019, 06:45 AM   #111  
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I know that's what the FCIF says, but that doesn't make since. I was recently rerouted and didn't make it back to domicile to start the next trip. It would be impossible to decline sub before 30 minutes prior to showtime because I was in the airplane.
If you are Physically in the airplane, then CRS should have the ability to place you into OTP via a phone call after you land in Domicile.

That has been historical practice. And if the Scheduler says NO, then ask to speak with a Supervisor, and then the DO if necessary. If you want OTP and have had No opportunity to choose it, then they should be able to make it happen while you are still on duty from your extended trip.

But, why not roll the dice to get paid for doing nothing and stay in SUB. You are better of keeping the 6 hours of SUB guarantee than going for the 30 minutes of Overage at 150%.

And if CRS offers you a crap trip, you can still say thanks but no thanks. I'm not doing that trip at straight time but I will do it if you Draft me.

The original Showtime comes into play when you learn that your current trips been extended a day due to Mx, Wx, whatever and you head back to the hotel. IOW-you have an Opportunity to Decline SUB prior to the showtime of that trip.
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:15 AM   #112  
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Yes, you have to CALL scheduling to get the OTP if you weren’t able to notify them before showtime of conflicted trip. The decline sub webpage software is set up that way. If you decline sub using the webpage after the fact it looks like you would get the OTP but instead you just get regular MU hours and any overages.
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Okay so I love this thread.... now I have my own issue. Was scheduled for a trip, 5 days out I get 3 VIPS notifications at one time. The first canx’d the trip, the second put me in Sub and the 3rd assigned me (RAT) back to the original trip. Which is now labeled “Rev 01”
The difference between the original and new trip are a canceled Backend DH and operating back to MEM the following morning (ie the trip ends 10 hrs later) So has under a normal disruption I would get 3:30 for an extra duty period plus 1:30 for cnx of the DH, Plus overage at 150%. BUT because they assigned the trip back as RAT (4.M Reassignment Trip pay) they are only giving me 2:21 (125%) extra and no overage. What hacks me off the most is that they said the trip was canceled and then they assigned me right back to the same trip with a different Rev....
My question, Is this legal?

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Yes. You can decline a RAT and it will revert to normal sub and you can make your normal sub choices from there.
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What Raptor Said.

Let's see, your trip sounds like a One Day MEM-ABC-DH MEM.

And now sounds like MEM-ABC-MEM (10 hour trip extension)

There's NOT an Extra Duty Period if reality matches what I think happened.

You Would get the backend DH disruption. Overage of 10 hours equates to 4CHs of pay.

Less $$, but now you have an option as to what you actually do. Which, IMO, is better than FedEx waiting until after your show to decide to Revise your trip as they've intended for the week.

Here's a trip that Doesn't trigger SUB. Saturday AM launch to a short layover with a backend DH. Revised to operate back Saturday night. (MEM-LAX-DH MEM, R1 MEM-LAX-SNA-MEM) Yay, I get an extra...damn it, 2 legs = 1 DH.

Nothing better than landing at Memphis at 10:30 on a Saturday night. Direct to the airport and what runway would you like
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Seems like the right spot to ask. Just got put into sub on an equipment change. I declined. Trip had a DH in it and I was going to use it to deviate from vacation. Can I still use the bank to get home or am I up a creek?
Might be specific but after scouring the contract, I’m even more confused. Thanks!
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Seems like the right spot to ask. Just got put into sub on an equipment change. I declined. Trip had a DH in it and I was going to use it to deviate from vacation. Can I still use the bank to get home or am I up a creek?
Might be specific but after scouring the contract, I’m even more confused. Thanks!
You keep the bank but will still need an assignment within 3 days.
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You keep the bank but will still need an assignment within 3 days.
Great thanks
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Any time the Company cancels a DH, we keep the money. (Bumps for training, SUB, Revisions to operate)

We don't keep the money for PDO bumps.
If you had been offered a SUB trip with a DH that was acceptable to you, we keep both banks.

What we don't keep, is, say for example you have a backend DH that gets extended to a day later with a backend DH. Would be nice if we got Day 1s DH bank and the extended Day's DH. What we do get is the Higher of the 2.


We also don't keep SUB trip banks, or RAT banks that we choose to decline.

So, keep copies of your pairings\bank amounts. Revisions can wind up with a higher bank to use, something that might or might not reflect accurately in our expense system.
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Can someone post the FCIF from 1999
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