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Old 05-18-2019, 04:57 AM   #21  
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Read this statement out loud to yourself again please.

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If you read the rest of my post I think I知 agreeing with you.
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:31 AM   #24  
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As I said, YOU got what YOU wanted Kronan.

Funny, I've spend hours on the 777 hearing others complain that someone junior to them was given a trip they wanted.

But yes, you and your ilk let PBS on property instead of working another solution to a ridiculous VTO system. Congrats, you made it worse!

I wonder how many more reserve lines will go into the PBS system y'all fought hard for?

I wonder how many regular lines we will agree to let move into the PBS system you are currently championing for ??

You sir just don't get it.
0 more Reserve lines will go into the VTO system. Up to 20% of Known R days can go into it.

Each seat has X hours of flying. Always has, always will. Mgt sets the BLG targets. Higher BLG = fewer lines, and more Reserve coverage. Lower BLG = more lines and less Reserve Coverage.
Each and every pilot has the ability to Use, or Not Use Vacation hours to cover monthly BLG. Each and every Pilot has the ability to Use or Not Use Carryover hours to cover monthly BLG. Every Pilot has the Ability to Train on Days off, or have Training Pay cover a portion of the monthly BLG.

Basic and fairly simple math. Nothing to do with emotion. When FedEx pluses up the seat manning, then there is more Reserve Coverage. Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Any VTO system.

How does one Get PNP?
CBA Gives Pilots the Option to determine whether Carryover CH will be part of the BLG\RLG for a VTO Line. In other words, say you have 30 hours of Carryover. You can have that 30 hours applied towards your monthly BLG of 70/85, or you can Say 0 hours of Carryover apply. Previously the company would build Random R days to get you to your desired 100/115 for the month. "We" tied CRS hands to the R days they created during the bidpack publishing process. Personally, I think it's great that RB and RSV actually make it Into VTO lines now as opposed to the nothing but RA, but again, that's Me.
If the Trips\Blocks of R days available don't Fit into the targeted BLG because of a Pilot's decision to apply 0 hours of Carryover towards monthly BLG|RLG value of a VTO line, then that pilot gets awarded PNP.

Any other situation and the Companies violating the CBA. (color me shocked). On JF, there was a Millionaire who stated at least one of his friends had a VTO line built below BLG with no Carryover hours and called the company on it and they added R days to get this pilot to withing the BLG spread.

Another Issue with the new VTO system is that the one and only snapshot is taken prior to the SWW system opening. So, any X pairings don't show up. A VTO awardee picking up a Carryover trip post snapshot being taken and the system doesn't have an accurate picture.

There've been trips that made it through the whole process because they show as awarded to a Senior VTO line holder who couldn't actually be awarded that trip due to the late breaking Carryover trip that pilot picked up.

And, again, just me. But if someone Junior to me was awarded a VTO trip that I wanted and there were no legality issues, no CBA issues that precluded my being awarded that trip. Well, complaining about it for hours might be emotionally satisfying for some, but personally, I'd prefer to take the time between the reasons report being published and VTO awards being official and get MY trip.
Or Contact CE and work on Fixing it.
Because that's NOT how the System is supposed to work.


But, I digress, so what VTO system would you build? How does it work?

Personally, I've suggested as part of the ongoing implementation system creating a Pilot Option to allow CRS to create Random R days as opposed to tieing their hands as we do now.
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0 more Reserve lines will go into the VTO system. Up to 20% of Known R days can go into it.

Each seat has X hours of flying. Always has, always will. Mgt sets the BLG targets. Higher BLG = fewer lines, and more Reserve coverage. Lower BLG = more lines and less Reserve Coverage.
Each and every pilot has the ability to Use, or Not Use Vacation hours to cover monthly BLG. Each and every Pilot has the ability to Use or Not Use Carryover hours to cover monthly BLG. Every Pilot has the Ability to Train on Days off, or have Training Pay cover a portion of the monthly BLG.

Basic and fairly simple math. Nothing to do with emotion. When FedEx pluses up the seat manning, then there is more Reserve Coverage. Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Any VTO system.

How does one Get PNP?
CBA Gives Pilots the Option to determine whether Carryover CH will be part of the BLG\RLG for a VTO Line. In other words, say you have 30 hours of Carryover. You can have that 30 hours applied towards your monthly BLG of 70/85, or you can Say 0 hours of Carryover apply. Previously the company would build Random R days to get you to your desired 100/115 for the month. "We" tied CRS hands to the R days they created during the bidpack publishing process. Personally, I think it's great that RB and RSV actually make it Into VTO lines now as opposed to the nothing but RA, but again, that's Me.
If the Trips\Blocks of R days available don't Fit into the targeted BLG because of a Pilot's decision to apply 0 hours of Carryover towards monthly BLG|RLG value of a VTO line, then that pilot gets awarded PNP.

Any other situation and the Companies violating the CBA. (color me shocked). On JF, there was a Millionaire who stated at least one of his friends had a VTO line built below BLG with no Carryover hours and called the company on it and they added R days to get this pilot to withing the BLG spread.

Another Issue with the new VTO system is that the one and only snapshot is taken prior to the SWW system opening. So, any X pairings don't show up. A VTO awardee picking up a Carryover trip post snapshot being taken and the system doesn't have an accurate picture.

There've been trips that made it through the whole process because they show as awarded to a Senior VTO line holder who couldn't actually be awarded that trip due to the late breaking Carryover trip that pilot picked up.

And, again, just me. But if someone Junior to me was awarded a VTO trip that I wanted and there were no legality issues, no CBA issues that precluded my being awarded that trip. Well, complaining about it for hours might be emotionally satisfying for some, but personally, I'd prefer to take the time between the reasons report being published and VTO awards being official and get MY trip.
Or Contact CE and work on Fixing it.
Because that's NOT how the System is supposed to work.


But, I digress, so what VTO system would you build? How does it work?

Personally, I've suggested as part of the ongoing implementation system creating a Pilot Option to allow CRS to create Random R days as opposed to tieing their hands as we do now.
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But, I digress, so what VTO system would you build? How does it work?
I値l take DAL (EX NWA) PBS for a 30% pay raise and a 500k signing bonus. With some wording to protect vacation bidding flexibility
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:46 PM   #27  
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I値l take DAL (EX NWA) PBS for a 30% pay raise and a 500k signing bonus. With some wording to protect vacation bidding flexibility
And a no furlough Guarantee to protect the now expendable bottom 20%.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:24 PM   #28  
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0 more Reserve lines will go into the VTO system. Up to 20% of Known R days can go into it.
This is a partial truth and masks the actual problem with this new CBA language. The CBA actually specifies 80% of known R-days will be built in reserve lines - NOT that 20% of known R-days go into the VTO process.

80% of known R-days are the only ones that go into reserve lines. 20% of known R-days and 100% of the UNKNOWN R-days are what go into the VTO system. Which is why we’ve seen VTO lines go from being about 10% or less of total lines to close to 25% of total line on some fleets.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:13 PM   #29  
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Is "unknown R day" defined by the contract?

Is "known R day" defined by the contract?

I am too lazy to look it up, but I am guessing no.

Another fine job by the NC that promised to "tighten the language".
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:42 AM   #30  
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Too many dudes polishing turds. Sadly, I知 no longer baffled by the polishers. They love to work with turds. I知 no longer hoping enough guys will recognize the stink, either. I知 done pi$$ing into the wind. Peace out, bit(hes.
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