Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

I stand by all those statements. We can do all of these at once. We need to fight for more OIM provision. We need to take the union communications seriously about the day lounge pairings/Saigon loop paring. We also need to realize we have a good OIM currently and we can try to make it better (Company doesn’t have to) but may if we listen to what the union is communicating. I have also turned down the ability to make extra money to go fly in China. Remember the company just put out an FCIF asking all pilots if they want to get a China visa to go fly in China. I said NO. I also talked about disputed pairings. I’m very comfortable that I am on the side who is holding the line. You claimed a union rep was getting draft to fly trips the union asked us not to do. I asked you to send me who you were accusing but you failed to do that. It’s unsatisfactory to accuse anyone, union rep or not, of something nefarious but fail to prove it. The union never said “don’t fly to China”. They said analyze your fatigue state with day room pairings and Saigon loop pairing. That’s not a wholistic statement about China but about specific pairings. My final point was it could be a lot worse. Ask your buds at the pax airlines. These are all separate points that all cohesively are true.

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

I disagree with getting out of the OIM. I called my block rep. Getting out of the OIM doesn't guarantee anything. In fact if we drop out all it does is guarantees that people can then not opt out and many pilots will loose extra pay and protections if they get corona or are quarantine. My rep told me as well as many union communications that they are in talks with the company but the company doesn't have the same appetite to an additional OIM as our pilot group does. We are not in section 6 the company doesn't have to do squat. Some are saying that if we get out of this OIM then more people will not do the China flying. That is absolutely laughable. Under the current OIM we have provisions to opt out and many are still not doing it how would dropping out of the OIM incentive more to drop out with no provisions? I am fully in agreement that another OIM would be good but look at the rest of the industries agreements. Ours is still the best. I have copies of UPS,Delta,Spirit agreements. We cant even get our pilot group to steep up now how is pulling out of this OIM going to change this? I have said this over and over again but we all need to look in the mirror and ask am I part of the problem or the solution.

Originally Posted by kronan

If only there was an oim that reimbursed our sick leave should we contract the Kung flu
If only there was someway we’d go NOQ (with pay that is) should we wind up quarantined

Originally Posted by HIFLYR

If you get quarantined you are only pay protected, per the OIM. i.e. if you get it close to the end of the trip or are quarantined at the end of a trip you will be sitting on your own time somewhere. The union says it it still up in the air who will be paying for a hotel if required.

Talked to one of our pilots today on 48 hr layover in LAX and hotel restaurant is closed, no room service and now a Governor order to stay at home. This is getting crazy what is a guy supposed to if you cannot go out to eat? The essential worker letter references to and from work not out to eat.

Originally Posted by aircum

Any idea what hotel in la? heading back and forth all week!!

Originally Posted by dckozak

If the city of Los Angles feels it necessary to close public movement to such a point that no one can eat, than all operations; ie; transportation, pax and cargo, should cease. I'm not arguing one way or another about whether it should be, but Fedex and other related industries can't function, nor should they, if such draconian measures are deemed appropriate.
This may be the new reality and may be necessary, but you can't have some industries vital and then expect the front line staff to somehow fit in to a lockdown environment.