golfandfly

Tell that to a current block rep that’s flying one now....

I’m not going until we receive a substantially improved deal. I guess more China trips for the union guys...

Noworkallplay

Read the union communications! What I read was that they are not against Asia flying but specific trips that have the “day lounge” as a rest facility. Big difference. Devil is in the details ladies and gents.

They are also against the Saigon Loop pairing!!!

golfandfly

Looks like they’re against the room confinement also. But it’s ok if the union reps fly them. I don’t know about you, but I’ve turned down 3 draft trips in the last week.

It’s more of the same. We refuse to opt out, but we keep getting union communications that the company isn’t listening to us. Nothing will happen until we stand firm.

I’d rather have no deal than this one. Let’s for once, grow a pair, and give them 7 days notice. That’s 7 days to fix this OIM. Either they come back to the table or not, but this sends the pilots a strong signal to not pick these trips up until we get an improved deal.

Also, maybe communicate with the block reps to do the same...

Noworkallplay

I disagree with getting out of the OIM. I called my block rep. Getting out of the OIM doesn't guarantee anything. In fact if we drop out all it does is guarantees that people can then not opt out and many pilots will loose extra pay and protections if they get corona or are quarantine. My rep told me as well as many union communications that they are in talks with the company but the company doesn't have the same appetite to an additional OIM as our pilot group does. We are not in section 6 the company doesn't have to do squat. Some are saying that if we get out of this OIM then more people will not do the China flying. That is absolutely laughable. Under the current OIM we have provisions to opt out and many are still not doing it how would dropping out of the OIM incentive more to drop out with no provisions? I am fully in agreement that another OIM would be good but look at the rest of the industries agreements. Ours is still the best. I have copies of UPS,Delta,Spirit agreements. We cant even get our pilot group to steep up now how is pulling out of this OIM going to change this? I have said this over and over again but we all need to look in the mirror and ask am I part of the problem or the solution.

golfandfly

This is the typical union stance. Complain, over and over again, about the company not listening to us.

They’ve never discouraged China flying, they are the ones that agreed to the OIM in the first place! If they want the company to listen, they need to opt out. Then they need to send the pilots a communication that clearly says that the company hasn’t listened to our safety concerns and are taking away R days from our pilots arbitrarily. It’s stealing..

Hopefully, this will finally wake some of us up. As we know, the only way to get a better deal is to withhold our services. But, again, I haven’t seen the union discourage this flying, only certain pairings (TPE transit and SGN loop mainly). It doesn’t help when block reps draft for these trips.

For some reason, we’re afraid of our own shadow. For those avoiding China, how much RSA or vacation do they have left after April? I’m sure some are already out, so no pay protection anyway. So, we’re keeping this for the whopping 3/4.5 hours? How many R days have they taken?

Again, grow a pair and lead.. It ain’t that hard!

Noworkallplay

What union rep is drafting for China? Initials or PM me. If its not one of the disputed pairings/saigon loop or day room pairings I have no problem with anyone drafting to do them. These are not the pairings the union communications have said they have a problem with. You discredit our OIM when its the best in the industry. You discredit the fact that us at FedEx are very lucky at this point that we are still flying when many other majors are on the brink of furloughs. You need to get the big picture and stop complaining because everything isn't perfect just the way you want it. Our guys/gals are making a killing currently with draft/ava/vacation buy back, etc. We have a way to opt out and we have jobs that look secure for the immediate future. Step back and realize what you have and what others are facing. Facts are facts and our OIM is much better than anyone else's in the industry currently.

golfandfly

Here we go... just a few days ago you were saying we were scared, needed to call in fatigued, and we need to look in the mirror. Now you’re saying the agreement is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now we’re just thankful to have a job! You need to look in the mirror, you’re exactly why we fail in negotiations again and again.....

Noworkallplay

I stand by all those statements. We can do all of these at once. We need to fight for more OIM provision. We need to take the union communications seriously about the day lounge pairings/Saigon loop paring. We also need to realize we have a good OIM currently and we can try to make it better (Company doesn’t have to) but may if we listen to what the union is communicating. I have also turned down the ability to make extra money to go fly in China. Remember the company just put out an FCIF asking all pilots if they want to get a China visa to go fly in China. I said NO. I also talked about disputed pairings. I’m very comfortable that I am on the side who is holding the line. You claimed a union rep was getting draft to fly trips the union asked us not to do. I asked you to send me who you were accusing but you failed to do that. It’s unsatisfactory to accuse anyone, union rep or not, of something nefarious but fail to prove it. The union never said “don’t fly to China”. They said analyze your fatigue state with day room pairings and Saigon loop pairing. That’s not a wholistic statement about China but about specific pairings. My final point was it could be a lot worse. Ask your buds at the pax airlines. These are all separate points that all cohesively are true.

golfandfly

If you don’t have a China visa, I’m not sure how you’ve been impacted. Again, maybe you need to look in the mirror...

BLOB

Opinions are like @$$6013$. You have shared yours time and again. Take a little coronacation from the internet and stop worrying what everybody else is doing. You’ll be surprised how refreshing it is. My 2 cents.