Slg Vacation
05-11-2020, 01:29 PM
#11
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2 Different things:
1) Hour reduction request.
2) Shrinking your Vacation Footprint.
The hour reduction is just that only a request. It’s up to the company to decide if they want to grant it. I asked for a measly 12 hour reduction in May and was denied.
Its a reduction in hours applied to your SLG build process.
Read up on the two scenarios.
1) Hour reduction request.
2) Shrinking your Vacation Footprint.
The hour reduction is just that only a request. It’s up to the company to decide if they want to grant it. I asked for a measly 12 hour reduction in May and was denied.
Its a reduction in hours applied to your SLG build process.
Read up on the two scenarios.
05-12-2020, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
Go to 'SLG Crew' under links - 'SLG Crew information' on the right hand side - select 'Vacation Secondary Lines'
This document will explain vacation during the SLG process
There are two windows the first is to ask to reduce/add vacation draw - company decision to accept/reject. Then during SLG process you can slide and/or reduce the vacation footprint. You BLG starts with the value of # of vacation days.
In my case I have 10 days next month. If I am awarded a VTO I can only be assigned trips up the the value of 60 hours from vacation plus trips that does not exceed the Max BLG of VTOI value for June that will come out in the FCIF. I can shrink my footprint to zero and get say two 6 CR trips placed anywhere on my calendar and then I can add trips in open time.
This document will explain vacation during the SLG process
There are two windows the first is to ask to reduce/add vacation draw - company decision to accept/reject. Then during SLG process you can slide and/or reduce the vacation footprint. You BLG starts with the value of # of vacation days.
In my case I have 10 days next month. If I am awarded a VTO I can only be assigned trips up the the value of 60 hours from vacation plus trips that does not exceed the Max BLG of VTOI value for June that will come out in the FCIF. I can shrink my footprint to zero and get say two 6 CR trips placed anywhere on my calendar and then I can add trips in open time.
05-12-2020, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Thanks for the reference USMCFDX. I’m not sure I share the enthusiasm in this provision that allows our pilots who consistently work extra to work Even more in a month they have vacation. YMMV.
05-12-2020, 06:27 PM
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While we’re on vacation, I need some help confirming vacation versus reserve lines. It’s been a while for me being on reserve with vacation. Scenario:
Reserve line 15 days in a row starting on the first day of the bid month. 7 days of vacation starting Monday of last week in bid month. In other words, the vacation will never touch any of the R days no matter what I do.
Please confirm. If I do nothing during conflict window, even though no vaca days are in conflict with R days, 7 R days will be removed on a one for one basis to correlate with my vacations days leaving 8 R days. Which Rdays are removed is up to crew planning but they will consider inputs made via reserve line reconstruction worksheet. My vaca bank will be charged 7x Rday value.
Also confirm. Same scenario. If I extend vacation, assuming Rday = 4.5 (6x7 +6 = 48 divided by 4.5) = 10.6. Round down to 10 so extension allows 3 more Rdays removed. So with extension, 10 Rdays removed leaving 5 Rdays - again which ones at discretion of crew planning with pilot inputs available via worksheet. Vaca bank charged 10 x Rday value.
Mainly double checking that no R days need to actually conflict (touch) with the normal or extended Vacation footprint to be removed in either scenario.
Also vaca touching day one of 15 days of reserve does not knock out the whole block of Rdays, correct? Thanks.
Reserve line 15 days in a row starting on the first day of the bid month. 7 days of vacation starting Monday of last week in bid month. In other words, the vacation will never touch any of the R days no matter what I do.
Please confirm. If I do nothing during conflict window, even though no vaca days are in conflict with R days, 7 R days will be removed on a one for one basis to correlate with my vacations days leaving 8 R days. Which Rdays are removed is up to crew planning but they will consider inputs made via reserve line reconstruction worksheet. My vaca bank will be charged 7x Rday value.
Also confirm. Same scenario. If I extend vacation, assuming Rday = 4.5 (6x7 +6 = 48 divided by 4.5) = 10.6. Round down to 10 so extension allows 3 more Rdays removed. So with extension, 10 Rdays removed leaving 5 Rdays - again which ones at discretion of crew planning with pilot inputs available via worksheet. Vaca bank charged 10 x Rday value.
Mainly double checking that no R days need to actually conflict (touch) with the normal or extended Vacation footprint to be removed in either scenario.
Also vaca touching day one of 15 days of reserve does not knock out the whole block of Rdays, correct? Thanks.
05-13-2020, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
While we’re on vacation, I need some help confirming vacation versus reserve lines. It’s been a while for me being on reserve with vacation. Scenario:
Reserve line 15 days in a row starting on the first day of the bid month. 7 days of vacation starting Monday of last week in bid month. In other words, the vacation will never touch any of the R days no matter what I do.
Please confirm. If I do nothing during conflict window, even though no vaca days are in conflict with R days, 7 R days will be removed on a one for one basis to correlate with my vacations days leaving 8 R days. Which Rdays are removed is up to crew planning but they will consider inputs made via reserve line reconstruction worksheet. My vaca bank will be charged 7x Rday value.
Also confirm. Same scenario. If I extend vacation, assuming Rday = 4.5 (6x7 +6 = 48 divided by 4.5) = 10.6. Round down to 10 so extension allows 3 more Rdays removed. So with extension, 10 Rdays removed leaving 5 Rdays - again which ones at discretion of crew planning with pilot inputs available via worksheet. Vaca bank charged 10 x Rday value.
Mainly double checking that no R days need to actually conflict (touch) with the normal or extended Vacation footprint to be removed in either scenario.
Also vaca touching day one of 15 days of reserve does not knock out the whole block of Rdays, correct? Thanks.
Reserve line 15 days in a row starting on the first day of the bid month. 7 days of vacation starting Monday of last week in bid month. In other words, the vacation will never touch any of the R days no matter what I do.
Please confirm. If I do nothing during conflict window, even though no vaca days are in conflict with R days, 7 R days will be removed on a one for one basis to correlate with my vacations days leaving 8 R days. Which Rdays are removed is up to crew planning but they will consider inputs made via reserve line reconstruction worksheet. My vaca bank will be charged 7x Rday value.
Also confirm. Same scenario. If I extend vacation, assuming Rday = 4.5 (6x7 +6 = 48 divided by 4.5) = 10.6. Round down to 10 so extension allows 3 more Rdays removed. So with extension, 10 Rdays removed leaving 5 Rdays - again which ones at discretion of crew planning with pilot inputs available via worksheet. Vaca bank charged 10 x Rday value.
Mainly double checking that no R days need to actually conflict (touch) with the normal or extended Vacation footprint to be removed in either scenario.
Also vaca touching day one of 15 days of reserve does not knock out the whole block of Rdays, correct? Thanks.
05-17-2020, 01:23 PM
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SLG question....
how and when do I shrink my vacation footprint so I can still work in June?
also, with 90 hours of vacation in June, I used 2 ish hours for an overlap trip...why do I show negative 15 hours in my bank? Any help is appreciated
how and when do I shrink my vacation footprint so I can still work in June?
also, with 90 hours of vacation in June, I used 2 ish hours for an overlap trip...why do I show negative 15 hours in my bank? Any help is appreciated
05-17-2020, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Heavyflyer
SLG question....
how and when do I shrink my vacation footprint so I can still work in June?
also, with 90 hours of vacation in June, I used 2 ish hours for an overlap trip...why do I show negative 15 hours in my bank? Any help is appreciated
how and when do I shrink my vacation footprint so I can still work in June?
also, with 90 hours of vacation in June, I used 2 ish hours for an overlap trip...why do I show negative 15 hours in my bank? Any help is appreciated
05-17-2020, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Would you provide the reference please?
What I found says that you can reduce the number of vacation days you wish to apply to the month to as low as zero. Wouldn't you then get zero paid days of vacation and a full month of trips? This is 25.E.4.b.
What I found says that you can reduce the number of vacation days you wish to apply to the month to as low as zero. Wouldn't you then get zero paid days of vacation and a full month of trips? This is 25.E.4.b.
Not true for VTO - you can shrink the vacation footprint to zero days in the SLG process and every day of the month is available to pick up a trip on.
Your last statement is true for a regular or reserve line.
You can ask to reduce the vacation # of days also but it is company choice to honor the request. Sounds like OP doesn't want that anyway.
Good catch on the math - I didn't even pay attention to the number lol
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05-17-2020, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Wouldn't you then get zero paid days of vacation and a full month of trips? This is 25.E.4.b.
Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Your last statement is true for a regular or reserve line.
If so, I think that it is not true for reserve lines. Even if you deconflict your vacation from every single Rday on your reserve line with no vacation touching any Rdays, you will still have Rdays removed from your calendar on a one for one basis according to how many days of vacation you have in that month. Extending vacation will remove even more Rdays. The only way to have vacation and not use vacation hours in that month is to bid a regular line with no trips conflicting with vacation or bid secondary and reduce your vacation hours during the view/add.
05-18-2020, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
I did exactly what he described this month reduced vac footprint to 0 and AVAed when I wanted to.
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
HIFLYR, Is the statement from Pinseeker quoted above what you mean by his “last statement”?
If so, I think that it is not true for reserve lines. Even if you deconflict your vacation from every single Rday on your reserve line with no vacation touching any Rdays, you will still have Rdays removed from your calendar on a one for one basis according to how many days of vacation you have in that month. Extending vacation will remove even more Rdays. The only way to have vacation and not use vacation hours in that month is to bid a regular line with no trips conflicting with vacation or bid secondary and reduce your vacation hours during the view/add.
If so, I think that it is not true for reserve lines. Even if you deconflict your vacation from every single Rday on your reserve line with no vacation touching any Rdays, you will still have Rdays removed from your calendar on a one for one basis according to how many days of vacation you have in that month. Extending vacation will remove even more Rdays. The only way to have vacation and not use vacation hours in that month is to bid a regular line with no trips conflicting with vacation or bid secondary and reduce your vacation hours during the view/add.
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