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#131
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The article 8 was dropped by the person bringing the charges. Some other non punitive measure was proposed to replace it in-lieu of. That was shot down by almost a unanimous vote. Overall I’m not sure exactly sure what it was about as it was stated the supposed charge lacked actual standing or ill intent. A rather silly use of the unions time but it was nice to see all the pilots show up to support the accused. Hope we show this much unity in the near future.
#132
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Anyone have any info on how the variable plan would affect someone with over 25ys and about to retire? Will the A plan go away, will the A plan still pay 130K and then would there be additional pay from the variable plan?
#133
To be negotiated... That’s the answer to everything but according to Kronan it’s going to be splendid... You’re going to have so many pancakes that IHOP will file for bankruptcy. So I hope you like Waffle House.
#134
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#135
Are these pancakes gluten free?
#137
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#138
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In your words, "all that matters is the now," and I agree. Many of the 35% of us that were hired post 2015 are willing to go the distance (self help) to improve the A plan. The history of previous negotiations do not matter, this one does. We already know they want us to fly for free and have no retirement benefit. The 60 Billion in revenue and $2.60 in dividends (from $0.20 in 1999) show that the company is doing well with Express providing 50% of the revenues. Online shopping will continue, package delivery will grow, and asking for a bit more in retirement using our current CBA language for flying during WOCL is not asking for much.
I hope the 35% that were hired in the last 5 years are willing to go the distance. I keep hearing how so many regional commuter guys want the fight but I also note that the junior guys appear to be, by far, the guys picking up every single trip possible over the last year - that worries me that people are getting used to living well beyond their means and will have a lot tougher time pulling back to BLG.
Self-help? When was the last time a major was released by the NMB? How much of the economy does Fedex impact today and what's the purpose of the RLA? It's to keep the freight moving. I find it very, very unlikely that we will be released...ever..even with a 2-1 NMB in our favor politically and a union friendly president. You need to go into this with eyes wide open. Doesn't mean you can't still negotiate with a lot of strength - I just wouldn't hold your breath for self-help. Take a look at the RLA history on this. And there are other things of concern. Who can forget the court ordering spirit pilots back to work when they refused extra flights while in status quo. I may be getting this one mixed up with Delta but the airline's argument was that status quo means what pilots had traditionally done - so if you always taxied with no delays, then that's status quo. If you always flew BLG + 20% or recently maybe BLG + 40% - that's status quo and the judge ordered pilots to actually pick up extra trips. So it's going to be an uphill battle either way. We should be going into this eyes wide open - not with a defeatist attitude at all but eyes wide open. Else we'll end up like APA in the wilderness for something like 5 years and 200 grievances and no contract.
#139
If you delay your retirement until after ratification, and after a PSPP style plan is negotiated.
Then you’d get $130k and whatever additional retirement you’d earn under the new benefit formula. (And that’s assuming you skip survivors benefits and begin collecting your retirement immediately after retiring)
For this year, assuming you’re above the $290k max, your retirement would also include another $5.8k.
If you haven’t done so, highly encourage your reaching out to our Union to fine tune your individual retirement details.
And also highly encourage deferring your pension for a period of time.
If you can take advantage of the end of career $$ negotiated into CBA2015, it’s a surprisingly large amount of cash when you add in the vacation buyback. Deferring can add quite a bit of value to your lifetime pension, as well as minimize the sticker shock on Medicare premiums.
#140
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Legend? Maybe you should talk to Chimenti about it. Or, you could talk to the current Block 3 Representative who was a member of the Negotiating Committee, present, and witness to the conversation. "Get you next time" is a gross mischaracterization of the conversation, as it was much more specific and involved.
Now, you can argue that anything not in writing is worthless, and you'd have a point. But the whole point here is that they did NOT say "No." That's the lie that has been spread far and wide by those who failed to negotiate it in 2015.
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Now, you can argue that anything not in writing is worthless, and you'd have a point. But the whole point here is that they did NOT say "No." That's the lie that has been spread far and wide by those who failed to negotiate it in 2015.
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