kronan

NoWork is incorrect that the exact details have been published, but our NC has also stated that disability is certainly a possibility and something they had addressed.
As is always true, the devil would be in the details.
If you read our PBB, you'll find 1000 hours in various spots related to retirement. And the notion that an active pilot is credited with 1000 hours of service for a retirement year, regardless of the actual hours worked. (See Govt rules regarding 1000 hours for various employee benefits)
If you want to be scared, consider that barring that agreement, FedEx wouldn't have been required to consider it a valid YOS for those of us impacted so harshly by 4A2B.

So, 1000 CHs is what I would expect to see as the basis for earning Pension benefits for those out on LTD. The biggest requirement would be the requirement for those out on Disability to be able to bid to a notional seat assignment while out on LTD.

USMCFDX

Why would they agree to 1000 hours when a reserve RLG for the entire year is less than that?

Jamo

Exactly. It’s why I cringe when I hear pilots on here say we should bargain for a 12% B fund. Way to aim low Buzzlowball.

StarClipper

I keep hearing from you and Nowolk that LTD was addressed but y’all are not providing details. I had one guy try to convince me on a layover that it was addressed, he called his union buddy who said that’s something they’re working on but can’t give any details. He also said that the amount of guys going out on LTD is low.

kronan

You literally quoted my post where I said no details had been released and then asked me for details.

I commented that there are numerous areas of our PBB (as well as Labor Law regarding benefits and 1000 hours of work, See PBB R-11, Hours of Service which says Pilots are credited with 95 hours per pay period while actively employed.)

I think it's likely that the adoption of any PSPP style plan would use 1000 hours (prorated) as the basis for determining our annual benefit accrual should someone go out on LTD. But again, that's an I think that would happen. And I also commented about the requirement for Upgrades, at least notional ones's as occurred following our Flush Bid that resulted in so many being paid as WB Captains because HKG went so Junior after the FDA LOA.

If a PSPP style plan uses the preceding earnings to determine a yearly benefit accumulation, as our LTD pay does, that would be a huge issue....and believe it or not, something that would result in my advocating AGAINST a PSPP style adoption.
As would someone being locked into their NB FO seat during a LTD.
If you've paid any attention to people retiring over the past few years, you would've noticed the occasional 727 person retiring. My assumption is that they went out on LTD and were never able to come back.
Which happens. Very Rarely thank goodness. But it does happen.

USMCFDX

I will ask again - why would they agree to 1000 hours when the sum of a RLG line for the entire year its less than that?

kronan

I will ask,
why should we ask for less than that?

RLG over the last 12 months for 777 was 980, Average BLG was 1021, and that doesn't even include block override.

And that doesn't even begin to capture the overages due to trip extensions or disruption compensation

StarClipper

Why not just improve what we already have? No need to reinvent the wheel.

USMCFDX

Oh 100% agree your "guess" should be more, I agree with you there, but our RLG just doesn't add top to that number to justify it.

It is also nice of you to cherry pick the highest paying airframe we have. How about posting the 757 statistics for full disclosure.

This was one of the major problems I had with the APLA pancake simulator. It used crazy pirates, unrealistic market returns, and 1000 hours for yearly BLG. Not a true representation or reality.

BrianH

And what would BLG be without BKO?