BrianH

And then what would happen to RLG without BKO?

gatorhater

Since this appears the best place to question the Union types at the moment….how many thousands of $$ did we just pi$$ away by sending this glossy opener thing to my house? I cared, so I saw all this online last week, people who don’t care won’t give this thing a first glance.

I’m betting it was more than my annual dues to send this to the entire group.

I feel better now, rant over.

UnusualAttitude

How much does ALPA National spend on the magazine that everyone throws away before opening every month? Can’t think of the last worthwhile article in there.

Noworkallplay

Im curious as to whats a “Union type”? I think we are all “Union types” being that we fly for a unionized pilot group who operates under a negotiated contract. We may no always agree with each other, but we all are “Union types”. If you don't want to be part of that group then you can fly for another none union airline and see how that works for you or become a none member.

Without a union management would demolish our pay, work rules and retirement overnight. If you need an example take a look at the none union labor around our industry.

I actually enjoy print material. Maybe I'm becoming an old guy. Also after reading paper makes good fire starter for the log stove.

gatorhater

By ‘union type’ I meant those that constantly sing the praises of the MEC without seeming to look critically at both sides. Don’t worry, the other side, ‘anti union type,’ that does nothing but complain is equally bad.

The monthly mag can be beneficial to what’s going on in the industry. The glossy bullet point list they just sent was kinda pointless.

UnusualAttitude

My point was that the monthly mag could also be sent in pdf format and save a lot of postage and printing. Granted, it’s probably printed in a Union shop and part of a deal with the AFL-CIO.

TonyC

If it offends you that much to receive the magazine in the mail, I can tell you how to stop it.

Log in to your ALPA website using your ALPA member number and change your communication preferences.

I'll step you through it. Navigate to fdx.alpa.org, and click on "Login". Enter your member number or alpa.org email address and password.

(If you have forgotten your Member Number or Password, click on the appropriate links there to recover them.)

Once logged in, click on "Quick Links" in the upper left-hand corner of the page to drop down a list of ... quick links ... and click on "My ALPA."

Click on the Blue box labeled "Member Info".

Along the bottom of the page, click on "Mail/Email Prefs"

The top of the page won't change, but if you scroll down you'll see that there is a long list of choices to make.

First, this is the place to update your e-mail address if you need to. If you haven't been receiving weekly e-mails from the MEC, this is where to fix it.

Let me pause from the directions for cancelling the printed magazine to point out that if you have not been receiving the ALPA Magazine in your e-mail every month, it may be because your e-mail address on file is incorrect, or maybe you don't have the 4th item (ALPAMagazine - Electronic Distribution of the online version of the Air Line Pilot Magazine) checked. Make sure it's checked if you want to receive the e-mail version.


Beneath the list of e-mail choices is a box labeled "Communication Preference."

The first is "Decline ALPA Magazine", and the default answer is "No". If you want to change it (or any of the other four choices), you need to click on the "+ Update" button on the bottom, and then you'll see that you can change any of the answers. Once you've changed "No" to "Yes", click on the blue "Submit" button.

Perhaps your mailman will thank you. I wouldn't hold my breath.

This shortcut may help get you to the pertinent page, but you'll still need to log in. https://mbronly.alpa.org/Home/Index

Oh, and if you'll look at the bottom of the monthly ALPA Magazine e-mail, you'll find links to Access Air Line Pilot Online, to download Air Line Pilot PDF, and to manage your email preferences/unsubscribe. The last link will take you directly to the same place where I just led you.

So, 3 ways to get there. I hope one of them helps.






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TonyC

The Openers Resolution passed unanimously because it is so vague. The unanimity will evaporate once the Negotiating Committee reveals to the MEC what THEY mean by "improve Defined Benefit."






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TonyC

Nobody's asking for precise numbers. Straw man.

There's a huge difference between seeking improvements in our current "A" Plan and seeking to end the current "A" Plan and replace it with something fundamentally and vastly different both in design and in affect on pilot behavior.

That's the way it's supposed to be. If it were entirely true, which party would be pushing a program to encourage pilots to work harder and longer to receive a smaller retirement benefit than the one they should be getting from their "A" Plan? Why is "the Union" promoting a paradigm of increased pilot efficiency as an improvement for pilots? Even Hank Rogers recognizes how it should be -- why not our union leaders?



More pay for only those pilots in the first 5 years of employment would qualify as "More." Would you vote for that?

Still OK with any degree of vague, or is there a level of specificity that would be appropriate?






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TonyC

Neither question has ever been answered definitively. The answer has always been "It would have to be negotiated."



Slinging the "12 Angry Men" argument again because you've got nothing better? Funny thing is, most people who try to use that as a slur have no idea what the story was about. As a quick reminder, it began with a jury considering the guilt or innocence of a defendant, and all but one of the jurors prepared to convict. Only one juror was unwilling to go with the gang, but instead carefully studied all the facts and considered it more important to be right than be popular. That made the others angry at first, as a real debate was inconvenient to them. They had other places to be, other things to do. Don't bother us with facts, let's go with the majority and just get this thing done.

Ultimately, the lone juror converts the others, one by one, with the use of logic and facts, until they all agreed that the man who they were so eager to send to the electric chair was actually innocent. Not a bad outcome, if you ask me.


I care because we shouldn't be wasting our resources or our time on something that will fail. Our MEC Representatives are fiduciaries of our dues, and they should not be aiming for a failed TA.


We have the performance and actions of our elected representatives to look at, and they love to characterize anyone who disagrees with them as 12 angry men. Your message betrays your loyalties.






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