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Old 12-10-2021, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Commuter56 View Post
It may be in the email now but it certainly wasn't when I got hired. It would make sense as long as you ignore the contract definition of "Crew Position" and instead substitute the word "Category". But once again, I'm tired of arguing about NHJAC, I was at it for a while last year. Just trying to get the word out to new hires that unless you pick 75 last you will not get NHJAC.
Not trying to argue but give factual information. This is the contract language: "If, through the application of Section 24.F.6.c. a junior pilot is activated into a higher paying crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be eligible for New Hire Junior Activation Compensation." When you bid a NB crew position prior to all WB crew positions then you "did have the opportunity to bid" but choose not to and instead choose NB above other WB crew positions. Now if NB was your last then you did try to hold all WB crew position and got passed over and now fit into the language above. Just trying to provide actual contract language and not internet opinion based on nothing. I hope this adds some clarity to the discussion based upon actual language.

Crew Position: A specific crew seat, in a specific aircraft type, at a specific domicile (e.g., Captain MD-11 MEM; First Officer A-300 MEM).
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha View Post
If I wanted 757FM with WB pay could I simply bid all WB MEM fleets with 757 at the end and satisfy the NHJAC requirements even though I didn't bid any OAK/IND/ANC fleets first?
I don't know. When I was hired it was a simple list of 4 aircraft to be listed in order of preference. No bases were included. I have no idea what the process is now, but NHJAC pays you wide body pay on the 75 if it is your last choice. At least it did, maybe something to clarify with the planning person that sends the email if you are presented with the opportunity.
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay View Post
Not trying to argue but give factual information. This is the contract language: "If, through the application of Section 24.F.6.c. a junior pilot is activated into a higher paying crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be eligible for New Hire Junior Activation Compensation." When you bid a NB crew position prior to all WB crew positions then you "did have the opportunity to bid" but choose not to and instead choose NB above other WB crew positions. Now if NB was your last then you did try to hold all WB crew position and got passed over and now fit into the language above. Just trying to provide actual contract language and not internet opinion based on nothing. I hope this adds some clarity to the discussion based upon actual language.

Crew Position: A specific crew seat, in a specific aircraft type, at a specific domicile (e.g., Captain MD-11 MEM; First Officer A-300 MEM).
Good lord. This is my last response because I am bored of arguing this part of the contract. You just posted it.

If, through the application of Section 24.F.6.c. a junior pilot is activated into a higher paying crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid

​​​​​​Crew Position: A specific crew seat, in a specific aircraft type, at a specific domicile (e.g., Captain MD-11 MEM; First Officer A-300 MEM)


I did not have the opportunity to bid the "Crew Position" of 777 FO MEM. However it was my first choice on my new hire standing bid. Junior pilots were activated into a "Crew Position" that I did not have the opportunity to bid. Nowhere does it state that you have to bid all crew positions in the wide body fleet for NHJAC to apply. I was denied the opportunity to bid a higher paying "Crew Position" that subsequent new hires were activated into.

Having said that, I don't care. I have admitted defeat. I stopped trying to grieve it. I am just trying to spread awareness to the new hires to be careful what they bid, otherwise they could be stuck on narrow body FO pay for years while these mega bids train out.
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Old 12-10-2021, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha View Post
If I wanted 757FM with WB pay could I simply bid all WB MEM fleets with 757 at the end and satisfy the NHJAC requirements even though I didn't bid any OAK/IND/ANC fleets first?
No. There are 10 possible non-FDA FO positions to bid for as a new hire (5 MEM, 2 ANC, 1 IND/OAK/LAX) and in order to be eligible for NHJAC you must list 57M as your last choice AND be awarded that position. That’s it. Full stop.

A word of caution to those who are considering doing this. Bid 21-01 left a large amount of vacancies in ANC on both the 777 and MD11. If you put 757 last on you bid sheet, be prepared to end up in ANC.
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Old 12-10-2021, 09:08 AM
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Is line bidding still a thing at FedEx or has it changed?
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Old 12-10-2021, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mustang1992 View Post
Is line bidding still a thing at FedEx or has it changed?
Line bidding for monthly schedules is still a thing.

However, there is a larger % of monthly schedules that are built by the Secondary Line Generator. The consensus of the pilot group is that this is PBS for those portion of the monthly schedules.

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Old 12-10-2021, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence View Post
No. There are 10 possible non-FDA FO positions to bid for as a new hire (5 MEM, 2 ANC, 1 IND/OAK/LAX) and in order to be eligible for NHJAC you must list 57M as your last choice AND be awarded that position. That’s it. Full stop.

A word of caution to those who are considering doing this. Bid 21-01 left a large amount of vacancies in ANC on both the 777 and MD11. If you put 757 last on you bid sheet, be prepared to end up in ANC.
Yeeeaahhh, that's definitely not going to work then. Oh well. Living in MEM and getting on the 757 with lots of relative seniority is worth the pay hit to me. I think I saw 80% vacancy on the 75FM? Crazy.
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Old 12-10-2021, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha View Post
Yeeeaahhh, that's definitely not going to work then. Oh well. Living in MEM and getting on the 757 with lots of relative seniority is worth the pay hit to me. I think I saw 80% vacancy on the 75FM? Crazy.
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Old 12-11-2021, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Commuter56 View Post
Not trying to be argumentative but you are incorrect. I am living it right now. I did exactly what you said, bid 777 as my first choice and 757 second so as not to be seat locked. I am on the 757 making narrow body pay. Took it to the company, CE, and tried to grieve it. Not happening. No NHJAC for me. The company and ALPA response is that only if 757 was the last choice with every wide body listed ahead of it would I get NHJAC. I know that's not what 24.F.6 c and d says, but that's how they have decided to interpret it.
I apologize then. 24.F.6.c & d (and the definition of "Crew Position" in Section 2) seem pretty cut and dried. In fact, don't know how long you've been at the company, but I'm almost sure that's how it worked upon implementation (but I could be wrong... again). Sorry it didn't work out for you. That's BS and you should really force the grievance. Make the Union grieve it. Easy for me to say though.
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Old 12-11-2021, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 View Post
I apologize then. 24.F.6.c & d (and the definition of "Crew Position" in Section 2) seem pretty cut and dried. In fact, don't know how long you've been at the company, but I'm almost sure that's how it worked upon implementation (but I could be wrong... again). Sorry it didn't work out for you. That's BS and you should really force the grievance. Make the Union grieve it. Easy for me to say though.
This is how its been since 2015 for New Hire Jr Pay. I know from experience. The SDP is different and I got a nice check from a grievance ALPA won in 2018. Over 150 pilots got a check for it and B plan contributions for the higher rate of pay.
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