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Old 01-31-2022, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Was it in the openers that we were going to increase new hire and training pay? Did I miss it?

Yes, you missed it. It is right after industry leading pay rates. This doesn't give me hope that people will actually read any TA that is put in front of us.
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Old 01-31-2022, 09:36 AM
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Hmmm. I guess that you haven't read the contract openers then. But hey, you are sure that the NC is taking care of our retirement.
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Old 01-31-2022, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
This doesn't give me hope that people will actually read any TA that is put in front of us.

Unfortunately I agree. If people can’t bother to read the 28 bullet points that is the openers document, then there is no hope people will read the TA with actual contract language changes/additions.
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Old 01-31-2022, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Atrpilotcargo
Well good news is throughout my career I really haven’t made “that much” money so even the “pay cut” on first year pay isn’t too significant from the base pay I am at right now.

Like you said planning is important and that is what we are doing right now. Planning on that cut and how we are going to approach it.

I hope to see you all soon and under a good contract if I comes around before I get there.
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Have they given you a class date yet?
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Old 01-31-2022, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Yes, you missed it. It is right after industry leading pay rates. This doesn't give me hope that people will actually read any TA that is put in front of us.
Thanks for finding my error.

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Unfortunately I agree. If people can’t bother to read the 28 bullet points that is the openers document, then there is no hope people will read the TA with actual contract language changes/additions.
Whoa, back the eff up. I missed something in the opener that doesn't benefit me. Wow, tar and feather me and label everything else I said wrong. SMH

You're not perfect, nobody is. I'm glad the power of the internet was able to find the error. "Increase in New Hire Compensation (3.A.2. (p. 27))"
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Old 02-01-2022, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
Vast majority of us took a pay hit the first year to reap the rewards of a multi-million dollar career. It was upped in the last contract. Remains to be seen how much weight increasing first year and training pay will carry. Many can attest the rewards after first year are well worth the hit. At least it's not UPS' first year pay.
No it is not and that mindset is counterproductive in my opinion. You're doing the same job why should you be paid appreciate wages just because that's what was done in the past. What other professionals have that pay structure. It's stupid and to continue to endorse it because of "tradition" is stupid too. Can we please stop being stupid.
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Old 02-01-2022, 08:24 AM
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No it is not and that mindset is counterproductive in my opinion. You're doing the same job why should you be paid appreciate wages just because that's what was done in the past. What other professionals have that pay structure. It's stupid and to continue to endorse it because of "tradition" is stupid too. Can we please stop being stupid.
Are you familiar with residency for those in the medical profession? Are they not doing the same work for less pay? And normally for a few years as opposed to our one year.
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Old 02-01-2022, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Thanks for finding my error.



Whoa, back the eff up. I missed something in the opener that doesn't benefit me. Wow, tar and feather me and label everything else I said wrong. SMH

You're not perfect, nobody is. I'm glad the power of the internet was able to find the error. "Increase in New Hire Compensation (3.A.2. (p. 27))"

It came off more harsh than I intended. I get it, maybe you just forgot reading a bullet point that didn’t benefit you. It just made me wonder how many others didn’t read it? Although, I would say that we should care for all parts, even the ones they don’t directly benefit us. But maybe that’s just me? In any case, I apologize.
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