Residency is training. that's not a parallel, but that's too obvious to not be apparent.

 

Residency is "training" just like our first year is "training" to see if you can hack it and will be a good fit. It's been raised before so progress is being made. What would you do differently with first year pay/training pay? Just not so sure how high of a priority it is this time around.

 

Theres not a single justifiable reason to pay trained qualified pilots less than scale wages. Residents are typically recently out of med school that is not so with anyone hired at fedex. To be clear I think paying Residents less is nonsense too.

I'm not much for tradition.

 

In fairness, medical residents are not board certified and require the supervision of a qualified doc at a facility which is accredited to train residents. So they're more like non-ATP rated pilots... Pilots? Yes. Legal or good idea to put them in airliner? No.

 

We gave up money or other improvements last contract for better new hire pay. Honestly why should we the crew force give up anything for it at all, it’s the companies problem. What I mean is if they are having a hard time attracting good talent then the company needs to change the policy this round and we should not have to negotiate anything for it.

 

I apologize. I suck at internet comments. I really do. After reading my comment I’m like “wth was I so mad at the time. Now I’m laughing at the bar having a nice cold beer on a layover. No hard feelings man. We’re all in this together. I just want the best for all of us.

 

Oh, we're going to give up something, you can bet on it. Our A plan for starters.

So we're going to screw the guys who have been here the longest, in order to give more to the new hires? YGBSM!!!

Nothing should be given up for new hire pay rates. Most of them are getting wide body seats on their first day.

They don't ever have to sit sideways, much less for 4 years.

They don't sit reserve, under the old rules, for a year, either.

They should take their seat and be happy about it. If they aren't let them leave.

 

someone’s salty.

 

You and everyone else repeating this litany of capitulation are dead wrong. We have to give up nothing, nada, not a single thing. Problem is from top to bottom this "we have to give something to get something" mentality permeates. The union leadership has it, the negotiating committee has it, and most of the crew force has it.
It is pathetic.

You know what? We've "given" plenty making this company a piles of money during this pandemic and I'm not "giving" anything else until that's reconciled and neither should you. You can keep all the atta boys and thank yous. The company can express their gratitude at the negotiating table with cash.

Our leadership is falling all over themselves to give things away and calling it gains. Mr "I'll wait to see what's in the TA" is ready to "consider" whatever hot garbage they produce. Meanwhile, Joe the pilot is addicted to draft dollars like a crack head. You can't win like this.

I couldn't careless about having an agreement by May. I want the best agreement don't care how long it takes.
if they make unserious offers is time to walk away from the table and walkover to the terminal and start doing informational picketing. Call channel 5. The cash flush public, addicted to mail order, and locked down for the last year will be sympathetic to the front line workers making sure boxes show up at their front door..

 

Shaman, I agree with you. We should not give up anything.

My point was, the NC is in the process of giving up our A plan, so they can serve us pancakes.

This, despite refusing to put out an honest survey to the crew force, which, if honest, would show that most of us don't like their pancake plan.

I will vote no on pancakes, and no on any concessionary contract. We should not have to give anything away.

We've earned a great contract, and we should have one.

Thank you's aren't nearly enough for what we have done since Covid began.

Show me the money.