Lessons Learned at United
07-30-2022 | 11:58 AM
#91
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If Todd Insler (the UA MEC chair who unilaterally rammed himself into three consecutive terms in violation of their bylaws) is elected to be the ALPA national president, then we SHOULD NOT remain an ALPA member.
Folks, now is the time to let your LEC reps know that they need to actively oppose Todd Insler at the national level. It is going to take every ALPA airline actively opposing him or we are all going to get the impotent, self-serving representation that UA pilots have had.
Folks, now is the time to let your LEC reps know that they need to actively oppose Todd Insler at the national level. It is going to take every ALPA airline actively opposing him or we are all going to get the impotent, self-serving representation that UA pilots have had.
07-30-2022 | 03:32 PM
#92
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Just fly your line. Not the same footprint of your line, not the same number of days as your line, just your line. If you have CIC conflict then you can pick up your makeup, but that's it. You do not have to take a hit on your pay unless you want to not pick up bidding conflict MU. Many don't. No AVA, no draft, no extensions. There is not pressure on the system every hour of every day. There is pressure here and there. We do not know where that is. It might be MEM departures on one day and total pilots in CDG another. It could be number of pilots turning IND or OAK, it could be 777 CLOE instructors or 767 training instructors, we don't know what the issues are day to day. IF you fly your line then the pressure will show up where it needs to show up, when it needs to show up and we all know the system cannot be flown without a significant portion of the pilots doing extra. All we are asking is to be compensated for our sacrifice and efforts. Just do your job. If you are rationalizing what you are doing then you already know your buddies would say you are wrong. Wear your negotiation lanyard and stop talking to those that cannot be bothered to show they support the other pilots by wearing theirs. Feel free to fight amongst ourselves on whether or not the negotiating team will get us what we want, but your public face and flying schedule needs to be full support.
07-30-2022 | 06:32 PM
#93
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Lessons Learned at United
So anyone who doesn’t fly any trips at 150 is a sucker? Should every single pilot only fly at 150 to not be a sucker?
07-30-2022 | 06:46 PM
#94
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While you’re out getting yours, there’s a huge percentage of us that won’t be doing extra and haven’t since May of ‘21. We’d love for you to join us. But you’ve gotta reach that conclusion on your own.
07-30-2022 | 10:51 PM
#95
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If I need to pick up 30 hours of flying to cover a conflict drop, convince me why I should do it at straight time. You could really twist the screws to em and just conflict and get no pay! That’ll teach em!
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
07-31-2022 | 02:00 AM
#96
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From: Fetal in the hub
If I need to pick up 30 hours of flying to cover a conflict drop, convince me why I should do it at straight time. You could really twist the screws to em and just conflict and get no pay! That’ll teach em!
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
Please ignore those selling the "fly your schedule" mantra. You can make your schedule whatever you need it to be as long as you're flying the same number of days. Maybe these guys just need it to be a one size fits all policy because anything more complicated than that is just too hard for their comprehension.
07-31-2022 | 03:57 AM
#97
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If I need to pick up 30 hours of flying to cover a conflict drop, convince me why I should do it at straight time. You could really twist the screws to em and just conflict and get no pay! That’ll teach em!
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
For example, I can pick the trip up 8 days in advance. Or I can wait one day and get 150% and fly less days. No. I don’t think you’re a sucker. I was being jovial.
The problem, in my opinion, lies with people flying past min days off or calling/willing to extend forever. I think working less at premium is more trouble for the company as you are giving them less of your time. Yes. You help them in the short term. But it’s just kicking the can down the road. Draft/VLT is available nearly all the time (on some fleets).
Using your logic, it is fine to extend a 5 day trip into 13 days and get paid 200% for most of the trip. You could be working less days and getting paid more. It only is helping the company in the short term. Any other rules of what is ok and not?
Bottom line is the contract allows pilots to fly draft. It is an individual decision until we are released to self help. If you feel the need to justify your actions, maybe you should rethink those actions.
07-31-2022 | 04:08 AM
#98
Generationally Damaged
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From: Dynamically Leveled
This comes down to tribal politics from my perspective. Everyone agrees to just fly basic days (15 days/19 days) during the bid month. Then it splits into the "math/logic" tribe vs the "this is what I've always done" tribe. Never shall the two find common ground, although they both agree on the basic premise of flying only the basic days per month. No amount of autistic internet screeching will convince the other tribe to change positions. Funny part is, both tribes are performing nearly the same maneuver, while only emphasizing the difference in technique.
Just show me a TA; I'll evaluate its merits. Until then, my coworkers do not get a vote in how I orchestrate my family balance for the month. Nor do I hunt down other pilot's calendars to see what they're doing. Call me a heretic; I just go to work and try to keep the political ranting at bay.
Just show me a TA; I'll evaluate its merits. Until then, my coworkers do not get a vote in how I orchestrate my family balance for the month. Nor do I hunt down other pilot's calendars to see what they're doing. Call me a heretic; I just go to work and try to keep the political ranting at bay.
07-31-2022 | 05:30 AM
#99
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From: 757 Capt
Just me, but when I'm conflicting a trip (or get Bumped for Training), I'm enjoying my time off.
Shoot, past 2 months I've dropped\given away about 40CHs.
Barring a year 1 or 2 employment longevity, if you can't live on 50% of your BLG....you've got a spending problem and you're truly not ready for Contract Negotiations.
If you're going insane over the recent inflation levels and the fact that we're not perusing a TA yet (May was the goal, which is what, 6 months past our amendable date?)
Then you're truly not ready for Contract Negotiations.
Is your personal goal a Fast TA or the Right TA?
A TA will eventually happen. And when it does, please, please....read it, think about it. Take the time to search out the Pros and Cons. Consider the things that will have improved as well as the things that didn't change (or perhaps even declined, International Hotel $$ worsened in TA2015. Some of the old Subic guys were frequent visitors of Vacation Destinations on Company $$. Something that only increased in frequency when HKG opened up. And that was something the Company went after. It's one thing to pay for a few people to hit a 5 star resort, another when lot's of people do so)
Shoot, past 2 months I've dropped\given away about 40CHs.
Barring a year 1 or 2 employment longevity, if you can't live on 50% of your BLG....you've got a spending problem and you're truly not ready for Contract Negotiations.
If you're going insane over the recent inflation levels and the fact that we're not perusing a TA yet (May was the goal, which is what, 6 months past our amendable date?)
Then you're truly not ready for Contract Negotiations.
Is your personal goal a Fast TA or the Right TA?
A TA will eventually happen. And when it does, please, please....read it, think about it. Take the time to search out the Pros and Cons. Consider the things that will have improved as well as the things that didn't change (or perhaps even declined, International Hotel $$ worsened in TA2015. Some of the old Subic guys were frequent visitors of Vacation Destinations on Company $$. Something that only increased in frequency when HKG opened up. And that was something the Company went after. It's one thing to pay for a few people to hit a 5 star resort, another when lot's of people do so)
07-31-2022 | 06:30 AM
#100
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined: Sep 2020
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If Todd Insler (the UA MEC chair who unilaterally rammed himself into three consecutive terms in violation of their bylaws) is elected to be the ALPA national president, then we SHOULD NOT remain an ALPA member.
Folks, now is the time to let your LEC reps know that they need to actively oppose Todd Insler at the national level. It is going to take every ALPA airline actively opposing him or we are all going to get the impotent, self-serving representation that UA pilots have had.
Folks, now is the time to let your LEC reps know that they need to actively oppose Todd Insler at the national level. It is going to take every ALPA airline actively opposing him or we are all going to get the impotent, self-serving representation that UA pilots have had.
I wrote my LEC reps last night.
Seriously folks, if you want a lesson learned from United it's this: DO NOT allow Todd Insler to become ALPA president (unless you want the United $H!tshow to become our $H!tshow). Their The UA MEC chairman was as cozy with management as anyone I've seen in 25yrs as an airline pilot. Gave away tons of scope, quality of life, and money -- all outside of bankruptcy.
Write your reps or we may have an airline CEO wannabe as our national representative.
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