FDX1

United FA mediation was very different. They had 100’s of other outstanding items to accomplish and focused their work on just a dozen or so then went to traditional mediation.

Looks like we have 4 or 5 items remaining.

Timing looks to be very good IMHO.

ClncClarence

Absolutely. If the company doesn’t agree to this than we will all know for sure they were full of it when they said they wanted to come to an agreement quickly and never intended on bargaining in good faith.

FDX1

I understand you may be retiring soon or have retired already and won’t get to improve your pension. We have never had this exact problem before during negotiations but pilots have received pay and service multiplier improvements because of limited time to capture improvements that occurred in the DC.

No pilot ever received retirement benefit improvements after they retired however. You probably also received the bonus money associated with the last contract (SLB) lump sum that not all pilots qualified for, again based on age and years of service.

I understand why you would feel that way though.

threeighteen

How does that math work? Even if they made a million in draft pay since last November (unlikely), updating our pension to solely adjust for inflation since 1999 would pay them much much more.

Nightflyer

When the union and the company manipulated the bids to get the over 60 FE's back into the left seat during the age 65 debacle, the union position was "it's the right thing to do".

Well, guess what, giving retro retirements back to the amendable date, as part of the agreement, is the "right thing to do".

Oh, and I have no skin in this game, unless negotiations last for a long, long time.

Also, perhaps all those 777 Captains flying extra wouldn't be so interested in doing that if "their" union hadn't come out against allowing them to work to age 67.

Ageism, anyone?

They keep saying it is "our" union, but the leadership doesn't ask, or care to know, the opinions of the rank and file. Their attitude is that they are smarter than us, and, news flash, they aren't always. I asked about Roth 401K's in the contract before 2015 (2012?). "They" said, we wouldn't benefit from them, and ALPA National was not on board, so no soup for you. Finally, we got them in 2015, when we could have gotten them a lot earlier, IF ONLY THE LEADERSHIP HAD LISTENED.

We also told them the "lie flat seats" verbiage would screw us, but they said, "oh no, you'll be ok". How did that one turn out?

Turns out the ALPA attorneys are no smarter than the old FPA attorneys, and, I have been told, a couple of them are the same people.

I am in favor of the expedited mediation, but I still reserve my right to vote no.

Noworkallplay

It sounds like you have every excuse in the book for everyone’s miss behaviors. We could all make excuses. Everyone has a situation they could cry wolf over.

This argument sounds like some approaching retirement have now realized their behaviors cost them in the long run. So many of those senior guys doing a lot of extra over the last year. As well as many others. The senior group should’ve been the ones rallying the troops a year ago to apply pressure. Many of them partook in self gratifying behavior.

If age 67 is OK then why not age 76? If everyone gets retirement benefits back to the amenable date then why not go back to last contracts amendable day or 1999 for retirement benefit recipients?

We wouldn’t even be in this situation if our pilot group would stop being selfish. Like I have said numerous times we have our fellow pilots to thank for this.

FYI: I just completed another survey three weeks ago. I guess that kills your narrative that we are not asked. I also show up to meetings and try to stay engaged with my rep.

Sunny1

NoWork - you never miss an opportunity to disparage the entire pilot group. It’s one of the reasons I believe you are a fraud. We are in contract negotiations, and no actual pilot who works here would verbally say and express the actions you constantly promote - because doing so would put them in the crosshairs of the company to make an example out of. All you do is try and divide the pilot group and cause disorder and animosity towards each other.

Now tell me to go be a cry baby to daddy admin or daddy fleet captain and tell me I’m one of the angry men on here. It’s what you do.

It’s sad you feel the need to come on here and pretend to be something you are not.

Noworkallplay

Those are the facts. We as a pilot group decided for the last 14 months that extra flying/draft/ava was more important. Now we live with the delays and consequences. These are lessons we all learned as kids.

Sunny1

Yes, of course - because you say so … therefore it must be true.

USMCFDX

This idiot has made a mistake in this thread and in the "TA Rumors??" thread that once again show he is not a FedEx pilot.