Mediation
10-02-2022 | 06:02 PM
#31
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👍 oh, but wait, re the A fund, the company “drew a line in the sand!” and this gem: “not a dime left on the table”. of course our union needed those dimes to settle the lawsuit re misrepresentation of the TA! or this: “take the 3 % slope now because of the time value of money!” not to the mention the math wizards trying to sell what they were calling a 20 percent increase in the B fund, which was in fact a one percent increase, seeing how a percent is quite literally a fraction of 100, and not a fraction of the six percent we were getting, cash under cap. or: “codifying the new work rules is a good thing.” and: “the new 8 in 24 would hardly impact the build!”. and: “getting in position earlier will decrease any stress you may have when deviating.” also: “pass over pay isn’t really fair anyway, and we still get some form of it so why complain?” of course: “selling back long term sick is a great deal,” but downplaying the qualifying terms and the 50 cents on the dollar, not to mention compelling folks not to call in sick when sick (in my opinion). and the retirement bump, which in my opinion bought yes votes from imminent retirees who otherwise wouldn’t have to suffer the new work rules. and what about the recall efforts of those who openly opposed the TA. this is all my opinion of course. what do I know?
Now they min man every day using the SLG and line holders can't swap or adjust their schedules. We fell for it again.
10-02-2022 | 08:23 PM
#32
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Gnarling and gnashing of thy teeth does nothing. Until we figure out the basics of leverage we are skewered.
Ask these simple questions 1) Why would the company agree to a large scale pay raise when all extra gets picked up currently? 2) Why would the company agree to a large pension/retirement increase when most do extra with the current retirement plan? 3) Are those who are the largest mouths also the largest participants in this feeding frenzy of drft/ava/VBB?
If premium pay is to be had pilots line up to do it regardless of negotiations/mediation.
Professional conversations on true unionism is a better use of our time. Instead many bragging in AOC about how many draft trips they munched on each month. Next time make sure to thank them for our current state of affairs.
Ask these simple questions 1) Why would the company agree to a large scale pay raise when all extra gets picked up currently? 2) Why would the company agree to a large pension/retirement increase when most do extra with the current retirement plan? 3) Are those who are the largest mouths also the largest participants in this feeding frenzy of drft/ava/VBB?
If premium pay is to be had pilots line up to do it regardless of negotiations/mediation.
Professional conversations on true unionism is a better use of our time. Instead many bragging in AOC about how many draft trips they munched on each month. Next time make sure to thank them for our current state of affairs.
10-03-2022 | 04:56 PM
#33
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So I want to admit right now my ignorance on the numbers here so proceed with bashings but here is my thoughts.
I believe we have lost our leverage to get settled as Covid disappeared and now slow down globally.
TOP that with our extensive hiring so we may be close to fully staffed and open time has disappeared for most fleets ( please do not tell me about all the draft and Ava I am tired of one tune tommy as are most others )
So not sure if you retire you get back pay / signing bonus? I saw some thoughts on this but nothing definitive … if there are going to be say 200 WB cap retire in dec that is almost a million dollars in signing bonuses plus the savings of whatever retirement may go up to. Big picture they are small numbers but it is something.
thoughts comments … let the bashing begin.
I believe we have lost our leverage to get settled as Covid disappeared and now slow down globally.
TOP that with our extensive hiring so we may be close to fully staffed and open time has disappeared for most fleets ( please do not tell me about all the draft and Ava I am tired of one tune tommy as are most others )
So not sure if you retire you get back pay / signing bonus? I saw some thoughts on this but nothing definitive … if there are going to be say 200 WB cap retire in dec that is almost a million dollars in signing bonuses plus the savings of whatever retirement may go up to. Big picture they are small numbers but it is something.
thoughts comments … let the bashing begin.
10-04-2022 | 01:37 PM
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Have we officially figured out if retirees get sign on bonus/ back pay?
Here is my .02 this and $7.00 will get you a 7.00 cup of coffee. First off we have NO leverage to get this contract settled in my opinion… that ship sailed about may or June along with Covid volume before the global recession set in. With volume down, rampant hiring for 24 month adequate staffing= very little OT ( draft /Ava please don’t preach that song we all know you have one song and keep playing that is behind us also)
Now to the point if retirees do not get back pay/ signing bonus APC says there are 190 mandatory retirements so really about 350 - 400 will retire this year.
If the sign in bonus or whatever u want to call it is say roughly 40,000 that is $16 million the company saves. Not including whatever our adjusted retirement might be going forward . That is a lot of money. Again just my .02
Here is my .02 this and $7.00 will get you a 7.00 cup of coffee. First off we have NO leverage to get this contract settled in my opinion… that ship sailed about may or June along with Covid volume before the global recession set in. With volume down, rampant hiring for 24 month adequate staffing= very little OT ( draft /Ava please don’t preach that song we all know you have one song and keep playing that is behind us also)
Now to the point if retirees do not get back pay/ signing bonus APC says there are 190 mandatory retirements so really about 350 - 400 will retire this year.
If the sign in bonus or whatever u want to call it is say roughly 40,000 that is $16 million the company saves. Not including whatever our adjusted retirement might be going forward . That is a lot of money. Again just my .02
10-04-2022 | 09:09 PM
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Have we officially figured out if retirees get sign on bonus/ back pay?
Here is my .02 this and $7.00 will get you a 7.00 cup of coffee. First off we have NO leverage to get this contract settled in my opinion… that ship sailed about may or June along with Covid volume before the global recession set in. With volume down, rampant hiring for 24 month adequate staffing= very little OT ( draft /Ava please don’t preach that song we all know you have one song and keep playing that is behind us also)
Now to the point if retirees do not get back pay/ signing bonus APC says there are 190 mandatory retirements so really about 350 - 400 will retire this year.
If the sign in bonus or whatever u want to call it is say roughly 40,000 that is $16 million the company saves. Not including whatever our adjusted retirement might be going forward . That is a lot of money. Again just my .02
Here is my .02 this and $7.00 will get you a 7.00 cup of coffee. First off we have NO leverage to get this contract settled in my opinion… that ship sailed about may or June along with Covid volume before the global recession set in. With volume down, rampant hiring for 24 month adequate staffing= very little OT ( draft /Ava please don’t preach that song we all know you have one song and keep playing that is behind us also)
Now to the point if retirees do not get back pay/ signing bonus APC says there are 190 mandatory retirements so really about 350 - 400 will retire this year.
If the sign in bonus or whatever u want to call it is say roughly 40,000 that is $16 million the company saves. Not including whatever our adjusted retirement might be going forward . That is a lot of money. Again just my .02
10-05-2022 | 02:04 AM
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We got played (again) over the term "Known Reserves." It turned out to be an almost 50% reduction of reserve lines in the bid pack. Furthermore, how many of the reserve day blocks you see in the SLG actually get awarded? Not all of them as far as I am concerned. Some just seem to disappear once the company knows exactly how much it thinks it minimally needs. To make matters worse, our very own Scheduling Committee Chairman, MH, is totally cool with this. If you don't believe me, then check out the Scheduling Series: #2 SLRWG, SLG and Communications video on YouTube and start watching at 4:14. Personally, I would prefer that my Scheduling Committee Chairman be more concerned with our quality of life instead of being supportive of efficiency gains for the company at our expense. Finally, if you don't bid reserve and believe this doesn't affect you, then think again - does the term "Denied Insufficient Reserves" mean anything to you?
10-05-2022 | 03:51 AM
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I guess I do not communicate very well. I am very aware we do not have a TA. The company could be dragging feet not to vote or pay anything out to 200 plus retirees.
again , that cost according to my rough math is + 10 million so that is saving them at least that amount of $. They know how many people are retiring due to the 1 year notice But maybe that is just crazy talk the company is trying to save that kinda coin.
sorry for dual posts also my first one did not post for 24 hours so I thought it got lost
10-05-2022 | 07:04 AM
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Late yesterday afternoon, jointly with management, we filed for federal mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) for assistance with our contract negotiations. The joint filing provides the necessary step to request expedited mediation under the Railway Labor Act (RLA).
As you know, we began direct negotiations in May 2021. While we've successfully closed 8 of the 12 opened Sections, significant gaps remain in critical economic sections. As we told you last week, we remain prepared to work with FedEx under the auspices of federal mediation to achieve a contract that recognizes the collective contributions of FedEx pilots.
Now more than ever, we need your support and engagement through this next step in our contract negotiations. Now Is The Time!
As you know, we began direct negotiations in May 2021. While we've successfully closed 8 of the 12 opened Sections, significant gaps remain in critical economic sections. As we told you last week, we remain prepared to work with FedEx under the auspices of federal mediation to achieve a contract that recognizes the collective contributions of FedEx pilots.
Now more than ever, we need your support and engagement through this next step in our contract negotiations. Now Is The Time!
10-05-2022 | 07:55 AM
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I guess I do not communicate very well. I am very aware we do not have a TA. The company could be dragging feet not to vote or pay anything out to 200 plus retirees.
again , that cost according to my rough math is + 10 million so that is saving them at least that amount of $. They know how many people are retiring due to the 1 year notice But maybe that is just crazy talk the company is trying to save that kinda coin.
sorry for dual posts also my first one did not post for 24 hours so I thought it got lost
again , that cost according to my rough math is + 10 million so that is saving them at least that amount of $. They know how many people are retiring due to the 1 year notice But maybe that is just crazy talk the company is trying to save that kinda coin.
sorry for dual posts also my first one did not post for 24 hours so I thought it got lost
Late yesterday afternoon, jointly with management, we filed for federal mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) for assistance with our contract negotiations. The joint filing provides the necessary step to request expedited mediation under the Railway Labor Act (RLA).
As you know, we began direct negotiations in May 2021. While we've successfully closed 8 of the 12 opened Sections, significant gaps remain in critical economic sections. As we told you last week, we remain prepared to work with FedEx under the auspices of federal mediation to achieve a contract that recognizes the collective contributions of FedEx pilots.
Now more than ever, we need your support and engagement through this next step in our contract negotiations. Now Is The Time!
As you know, we began direct negotiations in May 2021. While we've successfully closed 8 of the 12 opened Sections, significant gaps remain in critical economic sections. As we told you last week, we remain prepared to work with FedEx under the auspices of federal mediation to achieve a contract that recognizes the collective contributions of FedEx pilots.
Now more than ever, we need your support and engagement through this next step in our contract negotiations. Now Is The Time!
In my experience new hires are paying attention. Sadly, I've met several folks hired after C2015 that are clueless. One asked me, "What is an MEC?" EDUCATE YOUR FELLOW PILOTS AND FRIENDS !!! And if you don't know or understand something, ASK.
FedEx pilots need to understand that as soon as C2015 was inked, UPS, Delta, AA and United either leaped us in pay rates or matched. With UPS getting two pay increases since our C2015, we have fallen behind.
NOW IS THE TIME to show unity. Your pay, retirement and quality of life are at stake. Trust me, you don't want to start over elsewhere.
10-05-2022 | 11:43 AM
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It is the internet and after reading my comment this morning I was like (what a *ick comment I made). Apologies. I doubt anything to do with the retirees is the hold up. From what was communicated, and it is vague on purpose I'm sure, FedEx does not want to pay us industry leading pay and retirement.
EXACTLY !!!!! NOW IS THE TIME for you to be calling your bros/sises from your training class or former job and make sure they understand the importance of this. Additionally, discuss this with your fellow crew members OUTSIDE of the flight deck. Don't let this distract you from doing your job.
In my experience new hires are paying attention. Sadly, I've met several folks hired after C2015 that are clueless. One asked me, "What is an MEC?" EDUCATE YOUR FELLOW PILOTS AND FRIENDS !!! And if you don't know or understand something, ASK.
FedEx pilots need to understand that as soon as C2015 was inked, UPS, Delta, AA and United either leaped us in pay rates or matched. With UPS getting two pay increases since our C2015, we have fallen behind.
NOW IS THE TIME to show unity. Your pay, retirement and quality of life are at stake. Trust me, you don't want to start over elsewhere.
EXACTLY !!!!! NOW IS THE TIME for you to be calling your bros/sises from your training class or former job and make sure they understand the importance of this. Additionally, discuss this with your fellow crew members OUTSIDE of the flight deck. Don't let this distract you from doing your job.
In my experience new hires are paying attention. Sadly, I've met several folks hired after C2015 that are clueless. One asked me, "What is an MEC?" EDUCATE YOUR FELLOW PILOTS AND FRIENDS !!! And if you don't know or understand something, ASK.
FedEx pilots need to understand that as soon as C2015 was inked, UPS, Delta, AA and United either leaped us in pay rates or matched. With UPS getting two pay increases since our C2015, we have fallen behind.
NOW IS THE TIME to show unity. Your pay, retirement and quality of life are at stake. Trust me, you don't want to start over elsewhere.
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