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Old 09-30-2022 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
There is a simple fix for this. No agreement is signed unless everyone that retired since the amendable date is included in the new retirement.

It's kind of like the retro pay/signing bonus. We fix the retirement for those that were forced to retire while the company dragged its feet.

No one left behind. Let's see if the union leadership will support the rank and file like they should.
So let me get this straight, retro pay to retirees because company dragged its feet?? You need to be drug tested…there’s are the same pilots flying DFT and AVA! No way! Eff them, they had five extra years since the retirement age was raised. Reap what you sow. Get outta my way and enjoy your retirement IAW current contract which they proudly flew extra under.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 01:50 AM
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Be prepared to be disappointed. Last retro check they decided after the TA was signed and pot of money had already been determined the union decided to give retired pilots money. Was determined how long they worked from when contract expired. Union also forgot the military pilots out on MLA were due money by law too.

So the original $40k WB Capt we were promised was whittled down to $30k I believe. Other seats were less to just don’t remember by how much.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by magic rat
So let me get this straight, retro pay to retirees because company dragged its feet?? You need to be drug tested…there’s are the same pilots flying DFT and AVA! No way! Eff them, they had five extra years since the retirement age was raised. Reap what you sow. Get outta my way and enjoy your retirement IAW current contract which they proudly flew extra under.
proudly flew extra, and proudly supported with a yes vote. not all, but enough. happy seven year contract, dummies.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
How does that math work? Even if they made a million in draft pay since last November (unlikely), updating our pension to solely adjust for inflation since 1999 would pay them much much more.
Maybe they should have been thinking about that when considering the impact picking up draft has on negotiations. They’re stealing from their own. Can we get a “no draft/AVA after amendable date” provision in the contract please?
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Old 10-01-2022 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
How does that math work? Even if they made a million in draft pay since last November (unlikely), updating our pension to solely adjust for inflation since 1999 would pay them much much more.
They sealed their own fait with those actions. How can you in one breath say you deserve a pension increase and in the other breath do things that work against getting those improvements by doing drft/AVA/VBB. Selfishness. Those types deserve none.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 02:35 PM
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so...how do you "ignore" people so you don't have to read them post the same garbage over and over again?

*edit* nvm, figured it out. It's amazing how many posts have suddenly disappeared from the FedEx threads!!!! ;P
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Old 10-02-2022 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by abides
Maybe they should have been thinking about that when considering the impact picking up draft has on negotiations. They’re stealing from their own. Can we get a “no draft/AVA after amendable date” provision in the contract please?
The real question they should be asked is how did they vote on contract '15 and did they try to get retirement "fixed" then? Or where they too busy with.........whatever?

Retirement should have been updated way sooner, but most want someone else to do the heavy lifting. If we do it together, it is way easier for all.
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Old 10-02-2022 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
The real question they should be asked is how did they vote on contract '15 and did they try to get retirement "fixed" then? Or where they too busy with.........whatever?

Retirement should have been updated way sooner, but most want someone else to do the heavy lifting. If we do it together, it is way easier for all.
👍 oh, but wait, re the A fund, the company “drew a line in the sand!” and this gem: “not a dime left on the table”. of course our union needed those dimes to settle the lawsuit re misrepresentation of the TA! or this: “take the 3 % slope now because of the time value of money!” not to the mention the math wizards trying to sell what they were calling a 20 percent increase in the B fund, which was in fact a one percent increase, seeing how a percent is quite literally a fraction of 100, and not a fraction of the six percent we were getting, cash under cap. or: “codifying the new work rules is a good thing.” and: “the new 8 in 24 would hardly impact the build!”. and: “getting in position earlier will decrease any stress you may have when deviating.” also: “pass over pay isn’t really fair anyway, and we still get some form of it so why complain?” of course: “selling back long term sick is a great deal,” but downplaying the qualifying terms and the 50 cents on the dollar, not to mention compelling folks not to call in sick when sick (in my opinion). and the retirement bump, which in my opinion bought yes votes from imminent retirees who otherwise wouldn’t have to suffer the new work rules. and what about the recall efforts of those who openly opposed the TA. this is all my opinion of course. what do I know?
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Old 10-02-2022 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
👍 oh, but wait, re the A fund, the company “drew a line in the sand!” and this gem: “not a dime left on the table”. of course our union needed those dimes to settle the lawsuit re misrepresentation of the TA! or this: “take the 3 % slope now because of the time value of money!” not to the mention the math wizards trying to sell what they were calling a 20 percent increase in the B fund, which was in fact a one percent increase, seeing how a percent is quite literally a fraction of 100, and not a fraction of the six percent we were getting, cash under cap. or: “codifying the new work rules is a good thing.” and: “the new 8 in 24 would hardly impact the build!”. and: “getting in position earlier will decrease any stress you may have when deviating.” also: “pass over pay isn’t really fair anyway, and we still get some form of it so why complain?” of course: “selling back long term sick is a great deal,” but downplaying the qualifying terms and the 50 cents on the dollar, not to mention compelling folks not to call in sick when sick (in my opinion). and the retirement bump, which in my opinion bought yes votes from imminent retirees who otherwise wouldn’t have to suffer the new work rules. and what about the recall efforts of those who openly opposed the TA. this is all my opinion of course. what do I know?
Bfund increase is not really a increase for all unless they add cash over cap to it!
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Old 10-02-2022 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
👍 oh, but wait, re the A fund, the company “drew a line in the sand!” and this gem: “not a dime left on the table”. of course our union needed those dimes to settle the lawsuit re misrepresentation of the TA! or this: “take the 3 % slope now because of the time value of money!” not to the mention the math wizards trying to sell what they were calling a 20 percent increase in the B fund, which was in fact a one percent increase, seeing how a percent is quite literally a fraction of 100, and not a fraction of the six percent we were getting, cash under cap. or: “codifying the new work rules is a good thing.” and: “the new 8 in 24 would hardly impact the build!”. and: “getting in position earlier will decrease any stress you may have when deviating.” also: “pass over pay isn’t really fair anyway, and we still get some form of it so why complain?” of course: “selling back long term sick is a great deal,” but downplaying the qualifying terms and the 50 cents on the dollar, not to mention compelling folks not to call in sick when sick (in my opinion). and the retirement bump, which in my opinion bought yes votes from imminent retirees who otherwise wouldn’t have to suffer the new work rules. and what about the recall efforts of those who openly opposed the TA. this is all my opinion of course. what do I know?
You sir are a mind reader! 100% agree with everything.

You did miss lie flat seats, moving 20% known of R days to the secondary system (that is still in development 8 years later), and 6 year (i.e. 8 year) contract.l
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