diamnd15

I've deviated about a dozen times prior to an international deadhead with several hours notice and never heard anything from anyone about it. what if any are the ramification of an IR report?

Noworkallplay

Yes.

I almost never even deviate. One of the original Captains I flew with at FX said “never deviate until you are taxing out on your deviation flight”.

Noworkallplay

Please reference us to the language that could be grieved. What language in the contract has ever allowed us to cancel a deviation? None exists to my knowledge. Just because a few people get away with something doesn’t make it status quo.

I would spend some time on google researching what a status quo violation is under the RLA. This definitely isn’t one when we have never been allowed to cancel a deviation.

Positive rate this week just announced another grievance won by the union regarding rental car deviation funds. Looking at the grievance list on union web page seems to prove they win much more than they lost.

CE has helped me in numerous situations. Most recently getting RAT pay on a trip the company attempted to say was a revision.

I am curious to hear what you would do different. File a bunch of frivolous grievances that get laughed at by an arbitrator. This weakens a union’s position in further arbitrations. Would you file a frivolous status quo violation with the NMB and get laughed out of the hearing? Once again weakening the union’s position in further cases.

When I did committee work in a previous life at another legacy we had this same discussion with uneducated pilots who didn’t even understand the definition of the words they used or case law.

Honest question. If you think you know more than those doing the jobs why don’t you volunteer? I am sure the attorney’s and committee volunteers with years of experience would be more than happy to hear about all your experience in this area.

I have seen many unions in my career. This one has by far produced the best product. Case in point is why we all wanted to come to FDX. Pay, retirement, work rules, vacation to name a few. None of my bros at other properties have what we have in total or even come close.

My apologies for impeding on your false information campaign. Or was that just an opinion piece?

busdriver12

I thought there used to be a way to undeviate via the web page that you deviated on, to uncheck the boxes. It was not obvious nor well known by the crew force. Worth taking a look at.

Nightflyer

You "used to" be able to do a lot of things. Now if it is not written in the contract in grievance proof language, no soup for you.

busdriver12

True, but this wasn’t something contractual. You just had to select the right page and uncheck the boxes in a less than obvious way. Then again, when the company figures out the workarounds, those options magically disappear.

FXLAX

Just want to point out that this is not necessarily the most valid way of measuring the success of a pilot union. For example, at the regional airline level, there have been many strong pilot unions that have achieved a “relatively” good contract. But it’s relative to other regionals. Obviously they will never compare to a legacy. But even within the same category, it may not be the most valid way of measuring success. For example, FedEx wasn’t as adversely economically affected by 9/11 as passenger airliners. So you can’t fault delta pilots (as one example) for their management seeking bankruptcy protection and the loss of negotiating leverage that gives them.

Basically, a pilot union is only as successful in producing contract gains (or minimizing losses) for the economic leverage they currently have. Given a stronger union, they would produce better or more gains than a weaker union under the same economic conditions at that same company at that time.

rjboy

I know for 100% sure that I have had to re-deviate in the past when my trip has been revised. This situation is not canceling a deviation. When the trip is revise the original deviation should disappear. The original trip no longer exists so therefore any deviation associated with it no longer exists. You then have another opportunity to choose whether to deviate the new trip.

I do not have a contract reference for this but I had a trip in the last year that was revised multiple times and each time I had to re-deviate the back end.

FrankTheTank

+1. Back in July I had an illegal call out…. CRS called it a courtesy call.. But they were trying to notify me early for a B reserve assignment that wasn’t legal if the called at Noon. I sent a Dart and called and left messages with CE twice. To this day I have never heard a word….. BTW I have been here nearly 20 years so I know the Mickey Mouse games they try! And this was BS. Screenshot the voice mail and again not a word from the Union

abides

DO NOT answer your phone unless you are obligated to do so. No reason to be on reserve more than required by the contract.