Back End Deviation Ridiculousness
11-05-2022, 05:26 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
+1. Back in July I had an illegal call out…. CRS called it a courtesy call.. But they were trying to notify me early for a B reserve assignment that wasn’t legal if the called at Noon. I sent a Dart and called and left messages with CE twice. To this day I have never heard a word….. BTW I have been here nearly 20 years so I know the Mickey Mouse games they try! And this was BS. Screenshot the voice mail and again not a word from the Union
yea. Total bs. But 20 years in the game, and you answered the phone early? Or did they try and use the voicemail to say they gave you the assignment?
11-05-2022, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BertMacklinFBI
yea. Total bs. But 20 years in the game, and you answered the phone early? Or did they try and use the voicemail to say they gave you the assignment?
11-06-2022, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
+1. Back in July I had an illegal call out…. CRS called it a courtesy call.. But they were trying to notify me early for a B reserve assignment that wasn’t legal if the called at Noon. I sent a Dart and called and left messages with CE twice. To this day I have never heard a word….. BTW I have been here nearly 20 years so I know the Mickey Mouse games they try! And this was BS. Screenshot the voice mail and again not a word from the Union
11-06-2022, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
I know for 100% sure that I have had to re-deviate in the past when my trip has been revised. This situation is not canceling a deviation. When the trip is revise the original deviation should disappear. The original trip no longer exists so therefore any deviation associated with it no longer exists. You then have another opportunity to choose whether to deviate the new trip.
I do not have a contract reference for this but I had a trip in the last year that was revised multiple times and each time I had to re-deviate the back end.
I do not have a contract reference for this but I had a trip in the last year that was revised multiple times and each time I had to re-deviate the back end.
It appears it is because he had the same deadhead from ATL-MEM on same airline, date and time even on his revised pairing. The only thing that changed was the first leg and poster said it allowed him to redeviate from that leg bc it was new. It sucks but the last leg was not revised and he/she had already deviated that original leg that was still the same.
Posters narrative below
“For example, BEDH out of IND. Original pairing has airline on DL IND-ATL-MEM. New revision. Trip now ends in BWI. New BEDH now BWI-ATL-MEM. Already deviated original trip prior to revision. New trip still shows deviation on second leg, ATL-MEM. Same exact flight from ATL-MEM.”
11-06-2022, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Read his original post APCers
It appears it is because he had the same deadhead from ATL-MEM on same airline, date and time even on his revised pairing. The only thing that changed was the first leg and poster said it allowed him to redeviate from that leg bc it was new. It sucks but the last leg was not revised and he/she had already deviated that original leg that was still the same.
Posters narrative below
“For example, BEDH out of IND. Original pairing has airline on DL IND-ATL-MEM. New revision. Trip now ends in BWI. New BEDH now BWI-ATL-MEM. Already deviated original trip prior to revision. New trip still shows deviation on second leg, ATL-MEM. Same exact flight from ATL-MEM.”
It appears it is because he had the same deadhead from ATL-MEM on same airline, date and time even on his revised pairing. The only thing that changed was the first leg and poster said it allowed him to redeviate from that leg bc it was new. It sucks but the last leg was not revised and he/she had already deviated that original leg that was still the same.
Posters narrative below
“For example, BEDH out of IND. Original pairing has airline on DL IND-ATL-MEM. New revision. Trip now ends in BWI. New BEDH now BWI-ATL-MEM. Already deviated original trip prior to revision. New trip still shows deviation on second leg, ATL-MEM. Same exact flight from ATL-MEM.”
11-06-2022, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Keep reading. The OP said they did the same thing when the trip was revised 24 hours later. You might be able to make a case for the same day (but past precedent says it should have been a new deviation opportunity), but once the trip was revised to the next day, the OP should have been able to deviate on both legs again.
11-06-2022, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Just curious, how would the B reserve assignment been illegal if they had waited until noon on the day of the trip to assign it? Doesn't the call out period for B reserve start at noon?
11-06-2022, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
In both cases, the trip had an extremely late show time (1830ish) to a hub city, followed by a hub turn and getting KXYZ around sunrise. Both exceeded 16 hour duty day if called out at noon. But they make a sneaky “courtesy” call the day prior and you’re legally rested to showtime.
Ok, still not following. Why would they have to call you at noon for a trip that showed at 1830(ish) local? They could also just assign you the trip in VIPS and release you until show. Both provide you with legal rest. So why would the trip be illegal for a B period reserve?
11-06-2022, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Ok, still not following. Why would they have to call you at noon for a trip that showed at 1830(ish) local? They could also just assign you the trip in VIPS and release you until show. Both provide you with legal rest. So why would the trip be illegal for a B period reserve?
11-06-2022, 12:13 PM
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Back End Deviation Ridiculousness
Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
I didn’t answer…. They left a voicemail.. But the fact they called the day before and not until after noon on the next B reserve day was BS…. It was from an unknown number to boot.. But ya, don’t ever answer when not required…. The result when they did call was the had to revise the pairing to get me on deck earlier and got rid of the hub turn. Tried the same thing about 2 years ago I had to get supervisor involved….
Originally Posted by pinseeker
Ok, still not following. Why would they have to call you at noon for a trip that showed at 1830(ish) local? They could also just assign you the trip in VIPS and release you until show. Both provide you with legal rest. So why would the trip be illegal for a B period reserve?
Reserve availability isn’t rest. And what if you don’t check VIPS? I never did when I was on reserve.
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