Those count.

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In that case they can keep their crew meals and pay me the Fed limit. Just provide a menu which we could order from at a price for those who choose to use it.

 

Tool,

You do you.

I'll let history judge me and my efforts to leave this place better than I found it. (so far, pay eroded, secondary lines eroded, healthcare cost eroded, substitution eroded, pension eroded, I could go on)


To correct the record, I am not in block 22. I have never recalled or had an agenda item to consider recall of a rep, but I should have. If you are referring to the agenda item to consider article eight charges, well I pulled that agenda item the day before and replaced it with a motion to have the MEC admonish the block four rep for disclosing executive session material. That motion failed (turns out they had already done that so good for them). I have since received two official letters confirming the dissemination. I consider that event over. Others keep wanting to bring it up. So go ask your friend the MEC chair as he is authorized to disseminate the information.

As for the blue falcon comment, show me where I have ever not had the best interest of all the pilots as my guiding light. You may disagree with me, or fear your good deal might be eroded, but I stand behind my words. No I don't always get it right, but who does, at least I am trying to push it up.


So are you going to ask for our "ask" to improve or not? Stay focused on improving our contract.


Hate me later, there will be plenty of time for that after improving every pilot's contract as much as possible, let's not leave one nickel on the table this time.

 

I've had my own gripes with the union as I'm sure we all have. However, his are more personal because he simply doesn't get his way.

It was a typo. Why you mean well, I think you are causing division and problems for the union. I know you heard them say, "Social Media is our number one problem and please, no rumors. No negotiating in public."

 

This is just a complete BS post. You've been "telling them?" As if they don't realize the genius of your thoughts. You sound like one of these 64 year old morons I've flown with in the past that tell me how they knew how to "fix Fedex" but Fred didn't listen. Give it a break - go try that crap out on your wife - one of the past ones as I'm sure you've had many. Per diem pensionable? You think the NC cares about that? You think they don't realize the value of it? They make mistakes but to assume that they don't know, but you somehow hold all the secrets. Give it a rest. Go back to the LTD you've been on for years now and take up a book - it'll help the rest of us.

 

Because you get what you can negotiate for...and not a penny more. We still have guys, most guys, jumping over each other to fly extra at straight time. So we have close to zero leverage - probably today in the worst negotiating environment we've ever been in at this time in the process...with more guys wanting to fly extra than ever before. That's why. "Why can't I get paid $1000/ch - it's only fair" Give me a break.

 

I have been echoing this for months. Desperation is so high that trips over Christmas are even being picked up at straight pay. Some fleets have ZERO or almost no open time. We deserve what we are getting. We as a group have earned every bit of this. What leverage do we have now? We had it and greed got in the way. Now we must live with the repercussions.

 

Not true. That is not what the contract says. Keep stating falsehoods.

 

Are you reading the same AIP bullet point document I am? Are you looking at the same work rules at DL I am? Look specifically at vacation, retirement, pay per day, min days off, PBS vs line bidding, percentage on WB rates, min days off, LTD, required time off after international trips, premium pay and when it is triggered just as a starting point................................

You haven't seen a sentence of actual contract language on any of those bullet points. Do you know how DL's sick system works vs ours? Do they get DSA spill over? Do you know what DL's current insurance rates are compared to ours? Do you know what the language is that triggers revision pay? Have you seen the "improved scope language'? Do you understand how average daily guarantee at DL works compared to our guarantees? Do you understand monthly guarantees at DL compared to our monthly guarantee?

Talk about jumping to conclusions. Numerous of the "gains" don't even come close to our current CBA. Hey lets throw a party though because they started so low in the first place. I left a legacy for this exact reason. They are bargaining from bankruptcy positions in work rules and retirement. Its easier to make small gains when you are so far behind. Not so easy when sitting at the top on numerous of those areas.

THE PILLAR OF THE CONTRACT THEY DID NOT GET

From the DL thread quoted below.

"Retirement pillar date of signing?

ZERO

Retirement pillar 2024-2026?

1%

Good news!! The 9 yes voting MEC members are using their own money to buy everyone a magnifying glass so they can see the retirement pillar."




No one has seen a sentence of anything, but lets hold a parade over numerous items that still lag our CBA. Hey they got a gain though from a far far far inferior position to now just a far inferior position.

 

Fair enough, we should wait until they have a TA. My point is that their bullet points, at least most of the ones I outlined, are not insignificant. They are better than what we have, on top of their pay rates. And some of the things you outlined in your post are better than what we have as well.

So let me ask you this, given that they had different negotiating priorities, how should we compare their gains to what we will see in our TA?

One last thing, and probably the most important point, it doesn’t matter how many WB anyone has. Get that out of your head. It’s a pay rate that matters. Unless you take the position that WB pay rates should be proportional to the amount of them in the fleet.