Originally Posted by BrianH

I agree there are Headwinds to say the least trying to ask reps questions. "Trust the process" is not an answer, but my rep sure knows how to say that and (whatever) is "old business." The lack of accountability some reps are guilty of will only be muted when they are our of office.

So, if your reps are unwilling to have meaningful conversations and represent our points of view, it may be time for you to start the process to replace them. The process sucks, it is weighted against us, and you will be called names by anonymous keyboard commandos, but, it might just be worth a new contract with the improvements we demand.

Here is the thing, If the current reps are so tone deaf they bring us an unratifiable TA, the replacement process will happen but only with a great loss of time. It is better to have the conversations now.

It is way past the time to hold our reps accountable to US. Not the other way around. The Covid cocoon they have been hiding in must be torn down. NOW.

And yes, trust me, there will be a lot of blowback on you during the process, but is your new CBA worth it!



In the end, few will go back and do an "after action report" about the things they said and how they got it so wrong. The truth hurts, a lot.


So, in the immortal words of Leslie Nielsen, "Good luck, we are all counting on you."

Originally Posted by opt0712

At all three of the rally and picketing events I've been to, I've had no issues asking block reps or members of the NC for updates on negotiations after their presentations. Maybe try attending one and asking face to face?

Originally Posted by FXLAX

DALPA’s bullet points of their AIP

https://contentsharing.net/actions/e...cZYWyL9h5MCQOY

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

Has anyone seen the AIP TA’d language yet? Has it even passed the MEC at DL yet? Are most just enamored with pay rates because the bullet point document shows a large disconnect with our current work rules (vacation, pay per day, DHD). How about retirement? Is that not important? Seems to be a lot of cheerleading based off a bullet point document. I thought we had learned our lesson on that approach in 2015. I guess not. Carry on.

Originally Posted by fxlax

how much was their contract improved from book? That’s the comparison point, plus pay rates. Each pilot group decides how to spend their capital. We chose ours, very few rule improvements and heavily weighted to pay and retirement. Which is precisely why you look at the total economic improvement relative to their revenue.

We should never lower the bar in pay rates no matter anything else. That would not be good for us or the rest of the industry. Even ual ceo thinks so.

That’s not to downplay the significance work rule improvements they negotiated though:

Me too clause
per diem tied to government rate
holiday pay
improved scope
increased dc
reroute 150% day one 200% thereafter
no doctor note
reduced insurance premiums
paid maternity/paternity leave

Originally Posted by FXLAX

How much was their contract improved from book? That’s the comparison point, PLUS pay rates. Each pilot group decides how to spend their capital. We chose ours, very few rule improvements and heavily weighted to pay and retirement. Which is precisely why you look at the total economic improvement relative to their revenue.

We should never lower the bar in pay rates no matter anything else. That would not be good for us or the rest of the industry. Even UAL CEO thinks so.

That’s not to downplay the significance work rule improvements they negotiated though:

Me too clause
Per diem tied to government rate
Holiday pay
Improved scope
Increased DC
Reroute 150% day one 200% thereafter
No doctor note
Reduced insurance premiums
Paid maternity/paternity leave

Originally Posted by Nightflyer

OK, the bold items are MUST HAVES for us, and FIX the retirement.

The question is, will the NC listen? Will the company listen?

Don't send me a crap TA and try to tell me it was the "best you could do". I don't want to hear it. Raise the bar or keep negotiating.

The per diem alone is worth $15,000 of TAX FREE money to the international guys, maybe $10,000 to the domestic flyers.