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03-07-2023, 03:40 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1
Maybe there will be a bigger picture to this on April 5th. Fleet replacement etc. I’d assume 76 and 77 are the future.
03-07-2023, 09:59 PM
#54
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD-11, old man
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Originally Posted by Tuck
There will be a significant realignment bid next month - 2-3 bases will close. That will cause a HUGE ripple effect throughout the system as senior guys move to MEM kicking them out and the more junior guys bump all those junior captains on the 777 and 767 and more and more. Realignment bids while we are shrinking the system will be hugely negative - a LOT of guys are going to get moved.
Of course we are overmanned - we were significantly overmanned in January and that was before all this new hire training ends shortly - all those instructors will be returning to the line. Way too many near retirees are hanging on longer than they projected hoping for a significant bump in a TA that may never come and if it does, may never pass.
If I were in my first 1-3 years here and had a competitive resume, I'd certainly look at DL or UAL. Their future is a lot brighter.
Of course we are overmanned - we were significantly overmanned in January and that was before all this new hire training ends shortly - all those instructors will be returning to the line. Way too many near retirees are hanging on longer than they projected hoping for a significant bump in a TA that may never come and if it does, may never pass.
If I were in my first 1-3 years here and had a competitive resume, I'd certainly look at DL or UAL. Their future is a lot brighter.
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03-08-2023, 04:01 AM
#55
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
I did hear from a trusted source that the announcement will be made on 1Apr.
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03-11-2023, 11:05 AM
#57
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Position: Legacy FO
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Originally Posted by opt0712
We are still training out positions from the HKG closure from almost two years ago. But yea, sure, we are closing 2-3 bases. So the company wants to make drastic changes that will cause training events for the next three years or more? McKinsey definitely sees the fault in that logic.
Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1
Maybe there will be a bigger picture to this on April 5th. Fleet replacement etc. I’d assume 76 and 77 are the future.
Originally Posted by BlueMoon
I would expect possible displacements/excess from ANC/LAX MD-11 and A300 and 757 MEM. With vacancies in ANC 777/MEM777/MEM767 and possibly MEM MD-11 (unless they are parking MD's, instead of just moving them to more domestic roles). Go look at the average BLG for the 777 in ANC/MEM and the 767 MEM, they need the bodies in those fleets.
03-11-2023, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
How do you expect them to get rid of older less efficient airplanes without causing massive training events? Even UPS, according to Jim Joseph the President of UPS Airlines, has said UPS is getting rid of theirs. They're expecting to park at least six this year. With more to come later depending on 767 deliveries.
03-11-2023, 11:46 AM
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Isn't it amazing how the timing coincides between where we are in negotiations and this New Network? This new company BS, where "we [they] don't fking need you anymore, although we told you weekly for the last 3 years how we couldn't have made billions in profits with out you, and how you are the most critical part to this company's success".
New Network, decoded: what you the Express airline have been doing for the last 5 years, means jack sh!t to the Corp. with amnesia today.
Hey NC, why not send us the TA with the company's latest offer, then let us vote it down in a big way? Then we go back to open Section 1 (this really can't wait until next round of negotiations), and then we get to know just how good or bad the current TA'd language is.
New Network, decoded: what you the Express airline have been doing for the last 5 years, means jack sh!t to the Corp. with amnesia today.
Hey NC, why not send us the TA with the company's latest offer, then let us vote it down in a big way? Then we go back to open Section 1 (this really can't wait until next round of negotiations), and then we get to know just how good or bad the current TA'd language is.
03-11-2023, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
How do you expect them to get rid of older less efficient airplanes without causing massive training events? Even UPS, according to Jim Joseph the President of UPS Airlines, has said UPS is getting rid of theirs. They're expecting to park at least six this year. With more to come later depending on 767 deliveries.
We will soon announce the transition of retiring the MD11s. The reasons are less volume in Express (due to increasing belly freight and contractors, not flying deferred products in Express airplanes) and fuel efficiency. It's coming folks whether you believe it or not. We will know more April 5th at the announcement on Network 2.0.
We will soon announce the transition of retiring the MD11s. The reasons are less volume in Express (due to increasing belly freight and contractors, not flying deferred products in Express airplanes) and fuel efficiency. It's coming folks whether you believe it or not. We will know more April 5th at the announcement on Network 2.0.
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