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Old 03-17-2023 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
I mean it worked for Delta just a few months ago with the NMB mediator...

We negotiated in good faith, the company didn't. We have a pretty big leg to stand on when it comes to the NMB.

Really? What new sections did the Delta MEC open? What were the improved changes they made to their asks? Any documented proof you can provide?
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Old 03-17-2023 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
I mean it worked for Delta just a few months ago with the NMB mediator...
Just to be clear, you are saying that DL re-opened already-TA’d and/or opened previously-unopened sections while in mediation? I would love to know where you are getting that information.
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Old 03-17-2023 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
Ok, so the above trips are how long and credit how much? Are they commutable? Do they have front end or back end DHDs in Business or First? Can you also use a hotel in lieu of DHD between two of these trips and stay abroad?
So let’s agree that neither are better or worse but more dependent on where you live (delta base or not in mem) and so whether commuting matters or maybe if you have small kids and don’t want to be away from home for 7+ days at a time. But both will have body clock swaps. My thinking is that on the passenger side you will have one maybe two and on our long trips you can have multiple. To me minimizing those swaps are beneficial to my health. But maybe that’s just me?

Originally Posted by pinseeker
Well, let me answer your question with the same type of response you would give a year ago. Have you asked your rep this? What did they say?
I mentioned all my concerns, including the ones I’ve mention on these forums, on all the surveys I’ve take, phone and internet. I’ve had discussions with my rep about results of some of the surveys and he said that he was also surprised that it indicated a focused negotiation. But I didn’t ask him about revisiting items if the TA fails. I assume that there would be another survey if that happened to find out what the pilot group requires to ratify. So, can you now answer my question. Would you be for revisiting all other sections or specific additional specific items like scope and others?

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Old 03-18-2023 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood
That is an incorrect statement. They had all those items on the table entering mediation. We didn’t.
PM has been on full time flight pay loss for several years now. The targeted approach has failed. It’s time for the NC to present the targeted approach failure to the mediators and communicate the desire to negotiate a more comprehensive contract in line with changing pilot needs, Scope being issue #1. At that point the current failed NC should return to the line and let a new team lead. Any MEC reps who don’t like this plan should resign or be recalled and let a team with a forward looking vision lead.
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Old 03-18-2023 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
PM has been on full time flight pay loss for several years now. The targeted approach has failed. It’s time for the NC to present the targeted approach failure to the mediators and communicate the desire to negotiate a more comprehensive contract in line with changing pilot needs, Scope being issue #1. At that point the current failed NC should return to the line and let a new team lead. Any MEC reps who don’t like this plan should resign or be recalled and let a team with a forward looking vision lead.
Has PM brought a substandard TA to the pilot group yet?
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Old 03-18-2023 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
Has PM brought a substandard TA to the pilot group yet?
Maybe they should. And then they should recommend a NO vote based on the changes to management plans and industry standards that have occurred while the company dragged their feet (again). That may be our best bet.
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Old 03-18-2023 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Maybe they should. And then they should recommend a NO vote based on the changes to management plans and industry standards that have occurred while the company dragged their feet (again). That may be our best bet.
I trust PM more than our pilot group
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Old 03-18-2023 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
PM has been on full time flight pay loss for several years now. The targeted approach has failed. It’s time for the NC to present the targeted approach failure to the mediators and communicate the desire to negotiate a more comprehensive contract in line with changing pilot needs, Scope being issue #1. At that point the current failed NC should return to the line and let a new team lead. Any MEC reps who don’t like this plan should resign or be recalled and let a team with a forward looking vision lead.

So, is your LEC on board with this plan? If not, are you getting a recall placed on the agenda for the upcoming LEC meetings?
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Old 03-18-2023 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Maybe they should. And then they should recommend a NO vote based on the changes to management plans and industry standards that have occurred while the company dragged their feet (again). That may be our best bet.

Ask PM why he can't do that. He'll give you a pretty good answer.
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Old 03-18-2023 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
Ask PM why he can't do that. He'll give you a pretty good answer.
If you already know the answer, please share. TC is the only ALPA rep that will answer any questions.
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