CatIIAutoLand

My thoughts exactly

DLax85

Should it be anything less or anything different than what we have now?

If so, why?

One word answers still the best, but discussion is always welcome.

In Unity,
DLax

ClncClarence

No.

Any company-induced trip removal should be pay protected with zero obligation or restriction over the footprint.

DLax85

I hope our NC Team, our Block Reps, and our MEC agree with you whole-heartedly; however, I fear otherwise. Will they answer such a question directly, or feign ignorance of what's already been agreed upon? We are all interested to see the actual improvements which have been made to retirement, and eventually pay rates. However, we should be just as interested, and concerned, about what concessions were given to obtain these.

In Unity,
DLax

threeighteen

I doubt they'll go the route of putting people in SUB in lieu of bump for training. They'll likely go the route of "here's a bunch of lines that the company has reserved for training, and you can't bid them even if you have the seniority to hold them." They won't be the *******ty lines either...

UnusualAttitude

I think you’re on to something. That is a concession no matter how they try to spin it.

threeighteen

HUGE concession. Erosion of seniority and QOL for everyone.

CloudSailor

UA, I know you are ready for the upcoming spin job. Ready for the Sales Job to come from our union.

Unfortunately, personal egos and the need for recognition and accomplishment, will lead them to gloss over and minimize concessions in an effort to prove their personal worth which in some measure is attached to the TA.

Our NC will then give Kronan, Rock and those dudes, the soundbites to try and sell the TA amongst other pilots, just so we can get to that new Payrate NOW.

After the Corp's phenomenal profits over the last 8 years, we should not be giving $hit up! That is so fking basic! Why does our NC dance around this and other rumors? And put it on us the line pilots for not polling higher on "no concessions". That's because us line pilots know that Industry Leading = No Concessions!

CloudSailor

NO..........

DLax85

Additional constraints on what anyone can bid will absolutely negatively affect every pilot on the seniority list. Why? Because senior pilots will always choose the best deals!

Take away even a few, the senior guys will just go to their 2nd, 3rd, 4th....or 20th choice. Every pilot below them will get fewer choices.

This is precisely what happens when a certain bidpack loses a cherry city to another bidpack. This is precisely what happens when Double-Deadhead Hotel Standby Lines are removed from a bid pack. This is precisely what happens when we stop hiring, and senior guys go back to bidding and holding their hometowns. The senior guys will remain senior, and find the best deals!

Restricting which lines can be bid will have the greatest affect on the most junior, just like fewer hard lines do today. Even in the growing fleets (777 & 767), restricting which lines pilots can be bid will have significant first, second and third order effects.

What concessions have already been agreed upon to obtain higher retirement and higher pay rates? Hopefully, the NC Team, the Block Reps, and the MEC will "hit pause" on any concessions, especially those which increase the use of Substitution or decrease the number of lines anyone can bid. Agreeing to send a concessionary TA to the line pilots in this negotiating environment would simply be irresponsible.

In True Unity (i.e For Everyone!),
DLax