Substitution is the New Norm
04-02-2023 | 08:44 AM
#51
Fill'er Up Again
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From: Scarebus Captain
So much conspiracy so little actual information. Why? None of us has seen the contract yet. Such a waste of time to bicker about something that doesn’t exist at this point and nothing to look at. Company is laughing as many guess and lose focus on the real issues. Have we forgotten we are still working under a 2015 contract?
04-02-2023 | 11:10 AM
#52
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Also FWIW, said reps term just ended, but he did say when he started he was a "scope and QOL guy," but the "survey data" said "retirement and pay" were what we want apparently. Needless to say we had a conversation for a bit about scope, and I made it clear I felt scope is section 1 for a reason, and the other $h1t won't matter if we don't lock it down, but he just kept saying "I know, survey data, blah blah blah." Needless to say I'm pretty concerned considering I'm no where near retirement.
10-28-2023 | 04:12 AM
#53
On Reserve
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I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023 | 07:18 AM
#55
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Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
Mitigate it by going to United or Delta. I wish I was joking but this is probably the only way. Hopefully you haven't been here long. Management here wipes their arse with the contract and FDX ALPA does absolutely nothing about it. The regional I worked at had a union with more teeth. And this isn't an ALPA issue, it's a FDX ALPA issue. Way too cozy and cordial of a relationship with management. Most of the time it's hard to tell if FDX ALPA is an advocate for the pilots or an advocate for management. Good luck to you and sorry that happened.
10-28-2023 | 08:37 AM
#56
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Mitigate it by going to United or Delta. I wish I was joking but this is probably the only way. Hopefully you haven't been here long. Management here wipes their arse with the contract and FDX ALPA does absolutely nothing about it. The regional I worked at had a union with more teeth. And this isn't an ALPA issue, it's a FDX ALPA issue. Way too cozy and cordial of a relationship with management. Most of the time it's hard to tell if FDX ALPA is an advocate for the pilots or an advocate for management. Good luck to you and sorry that happened.
10-28-2023 | 08:40 AM
#57
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Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023 | 09:24 AM
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10-28-2023 | 09:52 AM
#59
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Joined: Oct 2023
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Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023 | 10:32 AM
#60
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Going to United or Delta isn't quitting you dunce. It's making a strategic move. If you're junior at FDX why wouldn't you leave? Go to an airline you can drive to work, that has better reserve rules, that has better pay, that is actually hiring and growing? Probably have better relative seniority at UAL in 6 months than he'd have in 4 years here.
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