Substitution is the New Norm
04-02-2023, 08:44 AM
#51
Fill'er Up Again
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Scarebus Captain
Posts: 1,089
Originally Posted by oncewasgood
So much conspiracy so little actual information. Why? None of us has seen the contract yet. Such a waste of time to bicker about something that doesn’t exist at this point and nothing to look at. Company is laughing as many guess and lose focus on the real issues. Have we forgotten we are still working under a 2015 contract?
04-02-2023, 11:10 AM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by opt0712
Please stop with this. This rumor has been addressed at the last NC meeting at AOC. Not to mention, speaking personally with union reps at AOC over the past month have verified this is a false rumor. Stay United and reach out to your reps.
Also FWIW, said reps term just ended, but he did say when he started he was a "scope and QOL guy," but the "survey data" said "retirement and pay" were what we want apparently. Needless to say we had a conversation for a bit about scope, and I made it clear I felt scope is section 1 for a reason, and the other $h1t won't matter if we don't lock it down, but he just kept saying "I know, survey data, blah blah blah." Needless to say I'm pretty concerned considering I'm no where near retirement.
10-28-2023, 04:12 AM
#53
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 13
Originally Posted by CatIIAutoLand
Welcome to the new normal. Gauge changes and resulting substitution is going to be the new normal going forward.
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023, 07:18 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by BGFPFAOA
Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
Mitigate it by going to United or Delta. I wish I was joking but this is probably the only way. Hopefully you haven't been here long. Management here wipes their arse with the contract and FDX ALPA does absolutely nothing about it. The regional I worked at had a union with more teeth. And this isn't an ALPA issue, it's a FDX ALPA issue. Way too cozy and cordial of a relationship with management. Most of the time it's hard to tell if FDX ALPA is an advocate for the pilots or an advocate for management. Good luck to you and sorry that happened.
10-28-2023, 08:37 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,021
Originally Posted by FreightFlyer91
Mitigate it by going to United or Delta. I wish I was joking but this is probably the only way. Hopefully you haven't been here long. Management here wipes their arse with the contract and FDX ALPA does absolutely nothing about it. The regional I worked at had a union with more teeth. And this isn't an ALPA issue, it's a FDX ALPA issue. Way too cozy and cordial of a relationship with management. Most of the time it's hard to tell if FDX ALPA is an advocate for the pilots or an advocate for management. Good luck to you and sorry that happened.
10-28-2023, 08:40 AM
#57
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,021
Originally Posted by BGFPFAOA
Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023, 09:24 AM
#58
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 613
Originally Posted by Stan446
Yep, quitting is the answer. Probably a good mantra for your life too. When things get difficult, quit. I'm sure the legacies are all great.
10-28-2023, 09:52 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by BGFPFAOA
Just a warning for folks:
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
I’m fighting through this sub bs for Nov. 2x5 day DDHs cancelled 5 mins prior to OT, sub for 61 hours. As OT dropped (sleeping soundly with my good sked), they started pulling sh!t trips from OT and dropping them on my first sub window from the back to the front. I guess the contract word of “subsequent” doesn’t tie them to how they build the sub fill, and it negates the notification window issue for them when they assign trips 4 days out for the first window for max fill, and two and a half weeks out for the second window. I haven’t had the opportunity to decline the second window, the system only allows for one IAP (its like the builders of VIPS thought sub would be an abnormal operating mode, not a whole months flying rebuild!)
Single line departure DDHs to three leg night hub turns… seniority? Bwah!!! Jumpseats? Spotty.
I believe it would be impossible to OTP 61 hours while they ignore assignment priorities in ch25 and give all to reserves. They’ve basically created an situation where if you decline sub, you have get lucky while you hawk OT 24/7 and suffer 3 months later for what they wouldn’t let you OTP (125% of zero is zero!). They took my trip for their lack of foresight, I should get paid for those trips without losing sleep over it.
One of our problems here is not enough older folks care about stuff like this if it doesn’t affect them. That’s how student lines almost came to be. PSP is dead.
The fortune 50 company I work for should be better than this.
How can one mitigate this?
10-28-2023, 10:32 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by Stan446
Yep, quitting is the answer. Probably a good mantra for your life too. When things get difficult, quit. I'm sure the legacies are all great.
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