You might educate yourself and find that the “subcontracting” section of the contract comparison with UPS was conveniently left off of the contract comparison site. I notified the MEC several months ago that the language was missing, there has been no effort to correct this “mistake”.

 

BCN Ramp Manager seems to think they could be next (CDG-BCN).

All these city pairs are flying which FDX Seniority List pilots have lost.

If I read UPS's Scope posted on another thread correctly, under that language, all of this flying would have been protected. If the IPA can secure that language, why can't ALPA?

As our Scope stands now, intra-Asia flying seems like the next logical step in the flying that our Seniority List will lose. Doesn't bode well either for those first 20 lines in the MEM 767 bidpack.

 

I am a UPS pilot as well, thanks. I was referencing the ALPA scope comparison document referenced in the prior posts.

 

That is precisely the problem. This isn’t the time. It’s the absolute wrong time. According to what we’re being told is that we’ve secured big gains in our biggest asks during this negotiation cycle.

The problem is the environment turned ugly. Freight is down everywhere. Many categories are at min BLGs. The 757 will soon be over staffed. The company announced a big savings plan while also showcasing a new network which relies much less on aircraft.

Are they down gauging aircraft because of less freight?

The company is still saying that they’re committed to supporting European 757 flying from the USA.

I agree with y’all on the scope issue. I wish fifth freedom rights were codified in the contract. It’s a big problem. We’ll lose any chance of having a decent contract, forget industry leading, We’re at the NMB stage and it’s played out … only one step away from striking and that is in progress as I type.

 

Cool and thanks for posting it.

 

I thought NOW is the time? All kidding aside, if not now, when? Seven years later? I’m not saying to we should try to open a new section. I’m saying that if the TA isn’t fair, we vote it down. Then use that opportunity to open scope and also open other sections to improve things like sub and extensions, system bid lengths, deadhead fares, reserve, etc. But scope especially even if it’s the only other thing to be fixed.

None of us should be interested in what management says. So I don’t understand why you bring up what they said about 757s in Europe. If we were ok with just going with management says, we wouldn’t need a contract. Putting language in the contract is about protecting us from when management says and does one thing today and something different tomorrow. You know kind of like what is happening right now? This is contract 101.

Is lack of adequate scope protections important enough to vote down a TA? That is the question we will answer. I know how I’ll answer if it’s not in the TA because it’s more important than anything else in the contract including pay and retirement. But maybe that’s just me.

 

Exactly. We'd be fools to not consider the worst case scenario with all of our intra int'l flying in this new 2.0 environment.

I could see just a System Bid dropped by the company being used as a huge distraction during negotiations. But closing the CGN base, the 757's mentioned as only 'supporting' the flying there, the Executive Session ALPA recently had... you can read between the lines: it seems, I hope, that Scope has the MEC's attention.

 

Shoutout to whoever had the “Got Scope?” stickers made.

They’re all over AOC.

Whoever you are, you give me hope.

Scope!

If our MEC doesn’t get it soon it looks like they can plan on the same fate as the Tumi TA approving UAL MEC members. Now is the time!

 

As per the MEC, you do know that the only items left to TA are , pay rates, signing bonus and length of contract. You really think the NC is going to go back and address scope? If that happens, all parts of the TA will be up for negotiation. Noting like telling our NC that retirement was our priority to now tell them that scope is our priority.

 

The NC will go back to scope once the TA is rejected by the membership. Many feel the company has played their hand by closing CGN and increased ASL flying. I bet we continue to do it from the US until ASL can gradually take over. They have up to 40 737 on order from Boeing for a reason. Is our Asia market next?

Regardless of speculation; without solid scope, no other part of the contract is safe. It’s a new company as far as FedEx is concerned. We need to view it that way too.