FedEx Has a TA
06-11-2023 | 08:07 AM
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AA has a richer total package (8B). They didn’t raise the bar, they matched our pay rates at Delta to the literal penny, then spent the rest of their negotiating capital on better work rules. Only weak spot I see is their sick bank, but they do receive a max 200k payout at retirement. Also the sick bank is a carryover, not use it or lose it.
For the second time APA used DALPA’s resources during their negotiations. They created a APA-ALPA merger committee under false pretenses, then after the AIP and TA language was negotiated they voted down the merger. I think 67% AA pilots voted in favor of a ALPA merger? So they voted down the majority. It was just a bait and switch tactic (again) to utilize ALPA resources and ALPA’s president (JA) is not happy about it.
For the second time APA used DALPA’s resources during their negotiations. They created a APA-ALPA merger committee under false pretenses, then after the AIP and TA language was negotiated they voted down the merger. I think 67% AA pilots voted in favor of a ALPA merger? So they voted down the majority. It was just a bait and switch tactic (again) to utilize ALPA resources and ALPA’s president (JA) is not happy about it.
Also not sure where the notion came from that APA used ALPAs resources, but that’s a different discussion and not relevant to the FEDEX TA thread.
06-11-2023 | 03:51 PM
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Not sure where y’all are getting this “matched to the penny” thing. I even posted the final top rate for both contracts above.
Also not sure where the notion came from that APA used ALPAs resources, but that’s a different discussion and not relevant to the FEDEX TA thread.
Also not sure where the notion came from that APA used ALPAs resources, but that’s a different discussion and not relevant to the FEDEX TA thread.
To your question about the post-amendable 3%…. It’s a risk because the company could drag things out longer, placating just enough people with 3% that they don’t end up paying the 8 or 10 or 14% they otherwise would. Even if they end up paying retro, there is no retro on QOL improvements, or vacation, or….
If you trust management to get a strong contract quickly, it’s a decent hedge. But if you don’t trust them, and think they might take 2-3 or even 4 years to get a contract, it actually disincentivizes the company to deal quickly. Thus, the risk.
06-11-2023 | 03:59 PM
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The rate you quoted AA for is for a Group V aircraft. AA does not have any group V aircraft. So exactly no one at AA has a higher rate than DL. The DL snap up is limited to aircraft actually flown on property. The aircraft AA does have match DL’s top rate to the penny. Thus, no snap up at DL.
To your question about the post-amendable 3%…. It’s a risk because the company could drag things out longer, placating just enough people with 3% that they don’t end up paying the 8 or 10 or 14% they otherwise would. Even if they end up paying retro, there is no retro on QOL improvements, or vacation, or….
If you trust management to get a strong contract quickly, it’s a decent hedge. But if you don’t trust them, and think they might take 2-3 or even 4 years to get a contract, it actually disincentivizes the company to deal quickly. Thus, the risk.
To your question about the post-amendable 3%…. It’s a risk because the company could drag things out longer, placating just enough people with 3% that they don’t end up paying the 8 or 10 or 14% they otherwise would. Even if they end up paying retro, there is no retro on QOL improvements, or vacation, or….
If you trust management to get a strong contract quickly, it’s a decent hedge. But if you don’t trust them, and think they might take 2-3 or even 4 years to get a contract, it actually disincentivizes the company to deal quickly. Thus, the risk.
https://negotiations.alliedpilots.or...y%20Tables.pdf
Last edited by dsevo; 06-11-2023 at 04:14 PM.
06-11-2023 | 04:24 PM
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Dude, at least have a clue what you’re disputing when you do it. I posted the May 2027 787 rate at AA. Group V is irrelevant. AA group II/IV rates are above DAL in May 2027 by 3%. I was trying to be somewhat polite, but Jesus, multiple posts of wrong info!
https://negotiations.alliedpilots.or...y%20Tables.pdf
https://negotiations.alliedpilots.or...y%20Tables.pdf
And yes, AA merely matched DL's rates to the penny, and added a post amendable 3% (which is a risk on AA's part which pay pay off, but it may not). Have a great day, dude.
06-11-2023 | 07:41 PM
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Yep! That’s exactly how they’re going to try and sell it. If the rumors are true, at $40/hr less than DL/AA, that’s a solid NOOOOOOO.
#NO CONCESSIONS #DELTA+
06-11-2023 | 08:54 PM
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